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re: Should collegiate athletes receive stipends?
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:13 pm to tiger4178
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:13 pm to tiger4178
quote:As long as we went to summer school we still got everything covered. Problem solved. Once again full ride athletes have money coming out their arse
Some of you are obviously confusing stipends with various other things such as Pell Grants etc that supply cash to all students. Many scholar-athletes are not allowed to work, even in the summer. The gist of the idea is too help these kids avoid or say no to those out there willing and able to exchange $100 handshakes and such.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:13 pm to Robert Goulet
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I'll say yes. Collegiate sports are like a full time job on top of classes. Not saying these kids live a woeful life by any means, but they do work hard and a lot of money is made off their backs. Obviously I agree that they have the opportunity to receive a good education in return, which is huge.
Just have the NCAA foot the bill, they're good for it.
That's always the view I've had, i.e. sports are incredibly time-intensive and place fairly significant demands on the student-athletes. I'm not certain a stipend is the answer, for all the reasons mentioned in this thread, but I would suggest that the NCAA move to protect the scholarships of underperforming or injured players...giving them, in effect, a certain amount of 'job security.' Certain safeguards would have to be put into place to prevent athletes from gaming the system (e.g. suddenly quitting on the team so s/he can keep a full ride without the effort) but, if you're not going to pay them, it does seem fair to at least compensate them in other ways. For instance (just spit-balling here)you could allow a given athlete to take the route of an early entrant in the draft by, say, letting them quit the team with one final year of college paid gratis. I'm sure others can come up with alternative ideas along the same lines.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:20 pm to lsupride87
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lsupride87
I understand what you are saying. I was the only one in my family that didn't graduate college on an athletic scholarship (because I was young and retarded). In my short time playing college b-ball, it was a load on top of classes. That's what I was mainly trying to point out. Many people don't realize all the work that's put into it. There is no time for them to work a job for money during the season.
A lot of it is perspective, broke to one person isn't the same to another. Many Americans think they're broke, when they're very wealthy by international standards. Anyway, I wouldn't argue this issue to death, just saying I wouldn't care if they made some extra money.
This post was edited on 2/4/14 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:23 pm to Robert Goulet
quote:I hear you, but living off campus we got 1,350 a month stipend. Pay 550 a month rent which put us in the best possible apartment at Lsu, which gives you 800 spending money a month. Plus any extra money we got if we went out of town for athletics. Impossible to spend that. No more is needed. It is already extra
A lot of it is perspective, broke to one person isn't the same to another. Many Americans think they're broke, when they're very wealthy by international standards. Anyway, I wouldn't argue this issue to death, just saying I wouldn't care if they made some extra money.
This post was edited on 2/4/14 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:28 pm to lsupride87
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I hear you, but living off campus we got 1,350 a month stipend. Pay 550 a month rent which put us in the best possible apartment at Lsu, which gives you 800 spending money a month. Plus any extra money we got if we went out of town for athletics. Impossible to spend that. No more is needed. It is already extra
Plus, perspective cuts both ways. They may be "wealthy" by international standards, but the costs are generally correspondingly higher as well. The kids aren't actually being mistreated under the current system, but it's entirely fair to argue that perhaps they're being exploited without sufficient recompense. Mind you, I'm not making that argument one way or the other, but it's still a legitimate avenue of discussion. It's like the whole "other countries torture, why can't we?" argument -- at some point, you have to hold yourself to internal standards, not measure yourself against external (and quite possibly totally irrelevant) ones.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:28 pm to lsupride87
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I hear you, but living off campus we got 1,350 a month stipend. Pay 550 a month rent which put us in the best possible apartment at Lsu, which gives you 800 spending money a month. Plus any extra money we got if we went out of town for athletics. Impossible to spend that. No more is needed. It is already extra
Right on. You're obviously more well versed in this than I am. Wasn't aware that money was made out of town, is that an LSU thing or NCAA?
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randomways
I agree. There could be changes made. I guess money is probably not the best answer.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:30 pm to Robert Goulet
quote:Ncaa. The coach has a choice to either pay for the meal himself or get it catered, of he can give each player a set amount of money depending on the city in which we were located. We always pushed for the money because we would always come home with extra cash
Right on. You're obviously more well versed in this than I am. Wasn't aware that money was made out of town, is that an LSU thing or NCAA?
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:39 pm to lsupride87
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Ncaa. The coach has a choice to either pay for the meal himself or get it catered, of he can give each player a set amount of money depending on the city in which we were located. We always pushed for the money because we would always come home with extra cash
That raises an interesting question (at least interesting for me, since I'm not clear on the answer.) Does the NCAA place certain limits on the quality of the amenities universities can legally provide? There's already a certain disparity -- some teams travel in nice planes while others have to ride rickety buses, for instance, and the quality of athletic dorms varies. But could a university, for instance, provide a 24 hour free snack bar stocked with everything a hungry athlete might desire? Or serve steak and lobster one day a week? I vaguely recall hearing that, in most circumstances, the athletes must be provided with the same quality of services/goods as the university makes available to the general population, but I'm not entirely certain I'm remembering correctly.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:41 pm to lsupride87
it was a per diem for out of town competitions...
to they guy claiming his friend was only on 20% scholly and an all american... I can't say I don't have huge doubts with some of the facts there
to they guy claiming his friend was only on 20% scholly and an all american... I can't say I don't have huge doubts with some of the facts there
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:42 pm to randomways
quote:Not really sure how that works exactly. We always stayed at nice hotels, but not the ritz or anything. Now I know when we had recruits in for official visits there were guidelines on what we could treat them to. Something along the lines of "something a reasonable college student would do"
That raises an interesting question (at least interesting for me, since I'm not clear on the answer.) Does the NCAA place certain limits on the quality of the amenities universities can legally provide? There's already a certain disparity -- some teams travel in nice planes while others have to ride rickety buses, for instance, and the quality of athletic dorms varies. But could a university, for instance, provide a 24 hour free snack bar stocked with everything a hungry athlete might desire? Or serve steak and lobster one day a week? I vaguely recall hearing that, in most circumstances, the athletes must be provided with the same quality of services/goods as the university makes available to the general population, but I'm not entirely certain I'm remembering correctly.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:54 pm to lsupride87
Are you the 'norm' though lsupride87?
Just asking because a lot of kids come to LSU from very poor backgrounds/families and you don't seem to fit that profile.
For instance, you mentioned living in an apartment. Isn't that a perk for upperclassman?
I'm not doubting you, but you make it sound a lot easier than one would think.
Just asking because a lot of kids come to LSU from very poor backgrounds/families and you don't seem to fit that profile.
For instance, you mentioned living in an apartment. Isn't that a perk for upperclassman?
I'm not doubting you, but you make it sound a lot easier than one would think.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:57 pm to pivey14
They already get more than the cost of tuition now. Paid Tutors and etc...
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:00 pm to tiger4178
quote:Living in an apartment is allowed for pretty much any athlete that has shown the coach he can handle school. Obviously if you have struggled in school he will prolly be less likely to allow this. However, for the most part, this is an option for almost everyone after their freshman year. As far as me being poor, no my family is not poor. Like I said, some of these athletes are using their money to kick back to their families. But to be frank, their is no amount of money you could give them to stop
Are you the 'norm' though lsupride87? Just asking because a lot of kids come to LSU from very poor backgrounds/families and you don't seem to fit that profile. For instance, you mentioned living in an apartment. Isn't that a perk for upperclassman? I'm not doubting you, but you make it sound a lot easier than one would think.
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Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:01 pm to lsupride87
Like a few have already posted, they already get stipends. they have it a ton better than what many think. but having said that, with the speed and power of the impacts in a game, they should get something extra.
This post was edited on 2/4/14 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:04 pm to austingator
The people who would actually benefit from getting paid are the athletes who are walk ons or players in non revenue sports that don't get full rides. But nobody thinks they deserve to get paid betcha nobody actually pays to watch them
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:06 pm to lsupride87
If people want student athletes I get paid extra it wouldn't bother me, but the vocal ones acting like they barely got by are full of crap. That's my point
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:17 pm to lsupride87
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Living in an apartment is allowed for pretty much any athlete that has shown the coach he can handle school. Obviously if you have struggled in school he will prolly be less likely to allow this. However, for the most part, this is an option for almost everyone after their freshman year. As far as me being poor, no my family is not poor. Like I said, some of these athletes are using their money to kick back to their families. But to be frank, their is no amount of money you could give them to stop That
Fair enough...
I guess my issue is why you think a $500/mo stipend is such a bad idea.
That's chump change for athletic programs like LSU and there is certainly a need for some.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:28 pm to lsupride87
The people who would actually benefit from getting paid are the athletes who are walk ons or players in non revenue sports that don't get full rides. But nobody thinks they deserve to get paid betcha nobody actually pays to watch them
The idea of extra stipends originated with football players, no doubt about that, but of course nowadays that don't fly so all student athletes should get it. Still, its a relatively small amount of money well spent in the eyes of many.
The idea of extra stipends originated with football players, no doubt about that, but of course nowadays that don't fly so all student athletes should get it. Still, its a relatively small amount of money well spent in the eyes of many.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 4:34 am to tiger4178
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Some of you are obviously confusing stipends with various other things such as Pell Grants etc that supply cash to all students. Many scholar-athletes are not allowed to work, even in the summer. The gist of the idea is too help these kids avoid or say no to those out there willing and able to exchange $100 handshakes and such.
THIS
If you are going to dispute this please do so with real numbers, real amounts of money, explain it in detail so we all understand what amount of money you believe these students already have and where it comes from specifically, otherwise we just go back and forth with opinions.
Some of us just do not have the real info, so please give the money details in specifics, then we will all be talking about the same thing.
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