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re: Is America better off since the Tea Party formed?

Posted on 10/18/13 at 2:22 pm to
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 10/18/13 at 2:22 pm to
well the rest of that should have been then once all the poor and stupids pay in and it collapse the lol jk about getting your money guys wouldn't be so bad.


im torn on how to attack education, I think no child left behind is a terrible thing and teaching for standard test is a terrible thing. However from the bits ive heard about common core im not sure im a fan of it. I have heard some off the wall shite about it but i haven't looked it up because i have no kids so i see no reason to look it up yet. I also believe our education system is highly inefficient in america. Part of it is we teach for the most part to the lowest, we need to teach to the middle of the room so we at least have a chance to keep the brightest engaged and then the lowers will just need to work harder. That means parents involved and actually after school work. This also leads to the type of teachers we have. I believe we need reform all the way to the bottom say first grade, we shouldn't have teachers that are just general teachers, even in first grade they should have to specialize in a subject. If they want to teach different subjects they should have to be certified in each. If we improve the quality of the teacher teaching then we can maybe improve our students.
The problem is most people dont want to deal with teaching because the pay isn't good for what you have to put up with. Id never consider teaching anything besides a college course and that is only after ive already made bank and im looking for shite to do as i retire.
I also believe besides the teaching to the lowest kid, the lack of quality teacher and the need to reform what teachers are allowed to teach we need a reform in testing. I believe for todays age we rely for to much on multiple choice and not enough critical thinking. We have made students into bots that spit back information rather than molding them to remember the information and use it in a critical thinking situation. I see some value in memorizing things because im good at it but with our computers and smart phones it should be less on memory and more problem solving.
I have kicked around a few ideas while shooting the shite with friends and I think we also need to improve on how we deal with kids that are struggling. If a kid gets to high school and he isn't interested in academic work or isn't cut out for it we need more electives that are skill based. Then we can open the door for the kid into a possible career he can be successful at.


I also have alot of ideas for improving baton rouge education, mainly getting rid of bussing. The things that happened to cause de-seg were bad but as usual a liberal tard judge over reacted. The ruling from way back is fricking over kids today with hour and half bus rides and sprinkling good kids into shite schools causing them to lose interest. We need to go back to neighborhood type schools and just have accountants audit schools budgets to make sure black and white schools are getting the same cash. It would save on bus rides which i say causes kids to 1. lose sleep, 2. cuts into time they could do homework and 3. would stop kids from giving up as much.
This post was edited on 10/18/13 at 2:26 pm
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/18/13 at 2:52 pm to
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Part of it is we teach for the most part to the lowest, we need to teach to the middle of the room so we at least have a chance to keep the brightest engaged and then the lowers will just need to work harder.


Agreed but even the brightest won't be engaged in the middle. They need to be in classes with their peers. It's frustrating. School is boring but by the time its not, all of your teachers are foreign and you can't understand them.

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I believe we need reform all the way to the bottom say first grade, we shouldn't have teachers that are just general teachers, even in first grade they should have to specialize in a subject.


I agree. That's quite the expensive proposition you're making though.

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The problem is most people dont want to deal with teaching because the pay isn't good for what you have to put up with. Id never consider teaching anything besides a college course and that is only after ive already made bank and im looking for shite to do as i retire.


I would love to be a HS Science teacher. They don't get paid enough, so I'm going into a more lucrative field. Make enough though, I'm sure I'll do a little teaching when I retire. I'm also sure I'm not alone in that feeling. If we want better teachers, you have to pay them more. We're not willing to spend that money. I think it's a better use of the dollar than a lot of shite we pay for, but that's not even close to being on the table.

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I believe for todays age we rely for to much on multiple choice and not enough critical thinking.


A well designed multiple choice question requires a lot of critical thinking. Profs in Bio, O Chem, and Physics have cleaned my clock from me taking the MC question lightly.

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We have made students into bots that spit back information rather than molding them to remember the information and use it in a critical thinking situation.


I see it in myself. A huge bank of knowledge was useful in the 20s when you couldn't google everything, but we can now. Solving problems is what matters in today's economy. It's something I wish I got considerably more of in my lower education.

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If a kid gets to high school and he isn't interested in academic work or isn't cut out for it we need more electives that are skill based. Then we can open the door for the kid into a possible career he can be successful at.



No doubt. We need people who know how to do specialized tasks as well as designers and researchers.


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