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re: Saban and the Apocalypse in Austin
Posted on 9/17/13 at 1:31 pm to Big12fan
Posted on 9/17/13 at 1:31 pm to Big12fan
You are correct in that Dodds is done. The guy is no longer king or kingmaker. Mack and Dodds are gone at seasons end.
Also correct that it is a younger movement afoot. Red is on oxygen these days.
You are full of shite though if you don't think that the LHN's intrusions and obligations will be hang-ups for *some* coaches. An established coach of control freak personality is going to have real reservations about that. A younger, more ambitious guy who hasn't made his mark won't care though. It won't make it *hard* for UT to hire a new coach, in general. UT is an outrageously attractive prospect. But there are going to be coaches here and there who don't want to deal with it. Sorry, but that's true. Even Used Car Mack hates it.
Also correct that it is a younger movement afoot. Red is on oxygen these days.
You are full of shite though if you don't think that the LHN's intrusions and obligations will be hang-ups for *some* coaches. An established coach of control freak personality is going to have real reservations about that. A younger, more ambitious guy who hasn't made his mark won't care though. It won't make it *hard* for UT to hire a new coach, in general. UT is an outrageously attractive prospect. But there are going to be coaches here and there who don't want to deal with it. Sorry, but that's true. Even Used Car Mack hates it.
This post was edited on 9/17/13 at 1:35 pm
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Posted on 9/17/13 at 1:36 pm to Jim Rockford
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I was skeptical that UT would make a serious run at Saban. I figured they'd make a safer move, but thinks have gotten so bad so fast over there that I've changed my mind. Will they go after him? I don't know, but I think the chances are a lot better now than they were.
truth is, saban is in love with the challenge and accomplishment. He'd leave loving his time at Bama and relish his time there, but if he isn't setting goals, hes dying.
This post was edited on 9/17/13 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 9/17/13 at 1:37 pm to Cooter Davenport
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You are full of shite though if you don't think that the LHN's intrusions and obligations will be hang-ups for *some* coaches. An established coach of control freak personality is going to have real reservations about that. A younger, more ambitious guy who hasn't made his mark won't care though. It won't make it *hard* for UT to hire a new coach, in general. UT is an outrageously attractive prospect. But there are going to be coaches here and there who don't want to deal with it. Sorry, but that's true. Even Used Car Mack hates it
that is a key to saban as well.....if he is not given complete control with his process, then no way in Hell.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 1:41 pm to CharlesLSU
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I was skeptical that UT would make a serious run at Saban
Why were you skeptical? They put out feelers after the 2011 season and he already told them he's not interested. They've made their "run at Saban". It didn't work.
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saban is in love with the challenge and accomplishment.
He's accomplishing something that has not been done before. Additionally, he's working to become the coach to win the last BCS title. Next year the playoff system begins. Do you think he has a better chance of getting into & winning the playoff at Bama or at Texas? I'll hang up and listen.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 1:45 pm to bamaboy87
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Posted on 9/17/13 at 1:47 pm to Cooter Davenport
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You are full of shite though if you don't think that the LHN's intrusions and obligations will be hang-ups for *some* coaches. An established coach of control freak personality is going to have real reservations about that. A younger, more ambitious guy who hasn't made his mark won't care though. It won't make it *hard* for UT to hire a new coach, in general. UT is an outrageously attractive prospect. But there are going to be coaches here and there who don't want to deal with it. Sorry, but that's true. Even Used Car Mack hates it.
Truth be told, this is one reason I've always thought Texas didn't get better coaches. It takes a certain type of coach that's willing to deal with the Texas mentality, both the good parts of it and the bad. At some point, all of the lists that people make about the attractiveness of a job (that mostly focus on recruiting potential and money offered) seem to overlook the fact that there are other programs that offer less on the surface that seem to attract better coaches.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 1:49 pm to Jim Rockford
If saban went to Texas he would pretty much decimate the recruiting trail. It would really suck for A&M and he would probably get more recruits from Louisiana and start sniping recruits from His Bama connections as well
Was this in the prophecy?
Was this in the prophecy?
Posted on 9/17/13 at 1:54 pm to CharlesLSU
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that is a key to saban as well.....if he is not given complete control with his process, then no way in Hell.
I agree completely, Alabama spent 10 yrs kicking ourselves in the balls with Dubose, Fran, and Shula that we turned over the entire program to Saban & let him fix it, Texas won't do that, they haven't sunk far enough.
This post was edited on 9/17/13 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 9/17/13 at 2:01 pm to phaz
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Dubose, Fran, and Shula that we turned over the entire program to Saban & let him fix it,
Don't forget that we were a toxic mess after Dubose. We had the fallout from his reign and the NCAA sanctions hung like a curse over the program with fRan. Then we hired Price who didn't even make it to Fall Camp. Shula was nothing more than a name and a safety cushion for us to bounce back from when Mal decided to pull the trigger on a coach to get us to the next level. Thankfully that wasn't Rich Rod and Saban decided to hate the NFL.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 2:14 pm to gnarkill1529
I think Saban will remain in Tuscalooser...
Maybe winning more championships than Bear is
his goal...BUT winning the most championships and doing it at 3 different universities would give him two records.
Maybe winning more championships than Bear is
his goal...BUT winning the most championships and doing it at 3 different universities would give him two records.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 2:14 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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If I were LSU I would be worried about losing Les Miles to Texas.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 2:16 pm to Bellabama
I don't know if it takes a certain type of guy or if Mack fitting so well for so long has made it *seem* that way.
Mackovic did not get along with the Big Cigars or play that game. A lot of the "culture change" that Mack Brown gets credit for was a re-set of relations with the boosters. He opened the program back up to them, for better or worse. UT under Brown has been the kind of program where a cabal of not exactly tip top, but pretty big donors that are tight with Mack even fly on the team plane. They're used to very chummy relations... establishing "the line" between the program and the Friends of Bellmont will be an interesting dance for the next guy.
One thing is for sure with Saban, if he were there he sure as HELL wouldn't allow Daddy McCoy to come to practices and meddle. Neither would there be celebrity hangers-on out there like Matthew McConaughey.
Mackovic did not get along with the Big Cigars or play that game. A lot of the "culture change" that Mack Brown gets credit for was a re-set of relations with the boosters. He opened the program back up to them, for better or worse. UT under Brown has been the kind of program where a cabal of not exactly tip top, but pretty big donors that are tight with Mack even fly on the team plane. They're used to very chummy relations... establishing "the line" between the program and the Friends of Bellmont will be an interesting dance for the next guy.
One thing is for sure with Saban, if he were there he sure as HELL wouldn't allow Daddy McCoy to come to practices and meddle. Neither would there be celebrity hangers-on out there like Matthew McConaughey.
This post was edited on 9/17/13 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 9/17/13 at 2:20 pm to Cooter Davenport
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You are full of shite though if you don't think that the LHN's intrusions and obligations will be hang-ups for *some* coaches. An established coach of control freak personality is going to have real reservations about that. A younger, more ambitious guy who hasn't made his mark won't care though. It won't make it *hard* for UT to hire a new coach, in general. UT is an outrageously attractive prospect. But there are going to be coaches here and there who don't want to deal with it. Sorry, but that's true. Even Used Car Mack hates it.
LHN will not reach its potential value until Texas starts winning on a consistent basis. Winning is the most important element for it to be a success. And not just in football, but in the big 3 sports primarily. Programing is always subject to change. Believe me, both ESPN & IMG understand this. If Saban wants the UT job, LHN will not be a problem for him. The people I'm hearing from want to win now and that's why Sabin is a potential target. And its why he strongly considered making the move in early 2013. The problem was that the rogue boosters who managed to convey their deal to Sabin couldn't find a way to unseat both Deloss & Mack. Those 2 are no longer a problem.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 2:22 pm to Bellabama
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Truth be told, this is one reason I've always thought Texas didn't get better coaches. It takes a certain type of coach that's willing to deal with the Texas mentality, both the good parts of it and the bad. At some point, all of the lists that people make about the attractiveness of a job (that mostly focus on recruiting potential and money offered) seem to overlook the fact that there are other programs that offer less on the surface that seem to attract better coaches.
You could have said the same thing about Alabama before Saban got there.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 2:26 pm to Jim Rockford
I don't think he is going anywhere but I will say this. If he ever is going to take another job it will be this year. He has McCarron graduating and will have to start rebuilding the offense next year around a new QB. I know Bama will just re-load but if he doesn't leave this year he's retiring a Gump.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 2:35 pm to AngryBeavers
Saban has a failure on his resume'. The debacle in his try at the NFL. I'm not in the man's head but if he bolts, it would be to an ideal situation with an NFL team to prove he can coach on that level. I know people worship him, but let's not forget how much of an utter failure he was in the NFL. Yes, I know a lot of college coaches tried and failed as well. But little Nicky's ego is matter of record. NFL or BAMA AD till retirement is my guess. BAMA will match any offer from any College program if it's about money.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 2:35 pm to partsman103
I would be surprised if Texas would consider Miles, but u never know. No one is positive they
want Saban at this time. Since Royal retired, the
coaching hires/tenures at Texas have been 'head scratchers'. A Texas alum suggested the 'elitism'
has come back to bite them.
Do agree Saban would have to jump through too many
hoops for the job to interest him.
want Saban at this time. Since Royal retired, the
coaching hires/tenures at Texas have been 'head scratchers'. A Texas alum suggested the 'elitism'
has come back to bite them.
Do agree Saban would have to jump through too many
hoops for the job to interest him.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 2:38 pm to Duke
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You could have said the same thing about Alabama before Saban got there.
Depends on when you were born. Maybe if you grew up in the post Bryant-era, you could say that... and I'd be willing to bet money that after Saban goes, if there isn't a strong person, there will be a vacuum of power until the next good fit. But if you look at the LONG history of Alabama, you will see that Wallace Wade and Frank Thomas were both at the pinnacle of their careers when they chose Alabama. Bryant was a direct reaction to Ears Wentworth, and he is objectively one of the best coaches in the history of the sport. Now you have Saban, and if he stays on the same trajectory, you can say the same.
On the other side of that coin, you have a school that has so many more resources than most other schools, and by most standards, Mack Brown was the best coach since Darrel Royal.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 2:40 pm to AngryBeavers
I doubt he leaves but it wouldn't shock me if he did. UT money is no problem and it would feed his ego to go and win at 3 places. I would rather him stay, it is so much more satisfying beating Bama with him there.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 2:45 pm to bamasgot13
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They put out feelers after the 2011 season and he already told them he's not interested. They've made their "run at Saban". It didn't work.
...things are far more desperate than 2011....
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He's accomplishing something that has not been done before. Additionally, he's working to become the coach to win the last BCS title. Next year the playoff system begins. Do you think he has a better chance of getting into & winning the playoff at Bama or at Texas? I'll hang up and listen.
He has won back to back titles.....three total at Bama. A three-peat is nothing but icing. Going to a dying giant and resurrecting them is right up his alley.
You can cozy up to your justifications all day....
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