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re: Manziel recommendation from NCAA on Wednesday
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:59 pm to skrayper
Posted on 8/27/13 at 12:59 pm to skrayper
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It doesn't matter if he sold them; he still broke the by-law stating you can't give out your autograph if you know it will be sold.
He signed thousands for autograph brokers. This can, and has, been proven. The only difference is the severity of the offense.
If he never sits out a game for the infraction, and the NCAA find A&M to be less than cooperating on all fronts, then they can simply smack them with that. Remember, the NCAA technically does have that "ace in the hole" if they decide that A&M or Manziel is just screwing with them.
Lack of institutional control?
That's a good one, every program wants to be hit with that one.
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Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:00 pm to RT1941
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Is the NCAA ready to show their hand to aTm this soon? Or are they (ncaa) just trying to slow play this?
It's all a part of the farce that is the NCAA. They have very few time limits and can even SIT ON evidence and wait to see how well A&M does this season, then go blow it up after the fact. Despite that crap, it appears that the NCAA is finally treating A&M fairly now that Charles Allen Wright took the dirt nap (may be burn in hell). We'll see.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:03 pm to PrivatePublic
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Vacation doesn't take away the publicity or the money, and A&M isn't winning shite without him, so what's the downside?
Vacation during the season could cost them the opportunity to go to any bowl at all, and yeah, to have to forego even an appearance in the chicken sandwich bowl would be a serious kick in the nuts, financially speaking.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:16 pm to TideJoe
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During Alabama's Logan Young mess, they never found a dollar that went
Ha ha. Yeah I guess Logan young getting merked a day before sitting down with the NCAA will do that.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:16 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Vacation during the season could cost them the opportunity to go to any bowl at all, and yeah, to have to forego even an appearance in the chicken sandwich bowl would be a serious kick in the nuts, financially speaking.
Not really they still get a share of SEC bowl appearances and some smaller bowls end up costing schools money up front.
Some of you spouting LOIC really have no idea of its meaning. aTm has covered their a$$es this whole process from what I have read, it's eligibility for #2 and then if need be vacated wins. aTm isn't going to get hit for an autograph scandal.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:19 pm to geauxtigs99
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Some of you spouting LOIC really have no idea of its meaning. aTm has covered their a$$es this whole process from what I have read, it's eligibility for #2 and then if need be vacated wins. aTm isn't going to get hit for an autograph scandal.
Right. This is a JM situation. Not an A&M situation. BUT if the NCAA recommends sitting him and they play him, that could be considered LOIC.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:24 pm to geauxtigs99
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Not really they still get a share of SEC bowl appearances and some smaller bowls end up costing schools money up front.
Some of you spouting LOIC really have no idea of its meaning. aTm has covered their a$$es this whole process from what I have read, it's eligibility for #2 and then if need be vacated wins. aTm isn't going to get hit for an autograph scandal.
I agree - aTm isn't going to let this kid ruin them. And, the institution of aTm has had very little control over JFF's actions thus far - so lack of institutional control won't be an issue for aTm, IMO.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:24 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Right. This is a JM situation. Not an A&M situation. BUT if the NCAA recommends sitting him and they play him, that could be considered LOIC.
No the recommendation refusal wouldn't effect LOIC that only comes into play if aTm is found to have covered up for #2. Playing him when it's suggested they don't might, a very slight might, get #2 suspended longer and of course vacated w's.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:29 pm to ChemE in the OP
If they recommend suspending Johnny for a single play, I hope A&M brass immediately calls Slive and asks "Are you ready to bring them down?"
Slive has his finger on the button and could destroy the NCAA anytime he wants.
Slive has his finger on the button and could destroy the NCAA anytime he wants.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:32 pm to NoMoreShortcuts
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If they recommend suspending Johnny for a single play, I hope A&M brass immediately calls Slive and asks "Are you ready to bring them down?"
Slive has his finger on the button and could destroy the NCAA anytime he wants.
Hey, just so you newbies know - - - Slive is a pussy about shite like this. I don't know of a single time he's stood up for one of his SEC program's when they are in the crosshairs of the NCAA. He just lets the NCAA run it's course and he sheepishly steps back and watches.
This post was edited on 8/27/13 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:33 pm to RT1941
Really?
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:33 pm to NoMoreShortcuts
Slive isn't going to blow up anything over one dumba$$ especially a model he has helped create that benefits his 14 school members.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:34 pm to geauxtigs99
I will disagree , the NCAA by-law is a by-law , I referred to at as a technicality because most players admit and take 1 to 6 game suspensions for this rule violation. There are no set penalties per any NCAA violation so Texas A&M can get anything the committee wants to hand out and if JFF plays the by-law will be violated.
You say the NCAA now has no teeth , I disagree , a rule having been broken and TAMU telling the NCAA to screw off , gives the NCAA a chance to regain its cred.
Bama played Antonio Langham when they should have sit him , Stallings threw the NCAA out of his office because they ( NCAA ) called his player a liar.
I will guarantee you Texas A&M fans , if you play him you WILL GET MAJOR infractions......
To many TAMU fans are thinking in Cam Newton terms, this case has no correlation to that case at all.
Cam was shopped by his dad , not against former rules , it is now.
This case is a long settled rule with players getting suspended as far back as 1985 for this violation.
Be stupid at your own peril.
TAMU has an open window to take over Texas right NOW..... Unless you get hit with 3 years probation and 30 scholarship reductions.
And THE BY-LAW has already been violated , the people running TAMU are complete buffoons if they play him.
You say the NCAA now has no teeth , I disagree , a rule having been broken and TAMU telling the NCAA to screw off , gives the NCAA a chance to regain its cred.
Bama played Antonio Langham when they should have sit him , Stallings threw the NCAA out of his office because they ( NCAA ) called his player a liar.
I will guarantee you Texas A&M fans , if you play him you WILL GET MAJOR infractions......
To many TAMU fans are thinking in Cam Newton terms, this case has no correlation to that case at all.
Cam was shopped by his dad , not against former rules , it is now.
This case is a long settled rule with players getting suspended as far back as 1985 for this violation.
Be stupid at your own peril.
TAMU has an open window to take over Texas right NOW..... Unless you get hit with 3 years probation and 30 scholarship reductions.
And THE BY-LAW has already been violated , the people running TAMU are complete buffoons if they play him.
This post was edited on 8/27/13 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:35 pm to geauxtigs99
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Slive isn't going to blow up anything over one dumba$$ especially a model he has helped create that benefits his 14 school members.
Slive will sit on his wrinkled arse and watch while the NCAA decides what they want to do and how they want to handle this.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:35 pm to skrayper
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He signed thousands for autograph brokers
Did he sign them DIRECTLY for the brokers or did he sign them for what he thought were charities and the items ended up in the hands of brokers via ebay?
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:37 pm to NoMoreShortcuts
It's the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit that would have the NCAA worried, not Mike Slive.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:37 pm to NoMoreShortcuts
shite..
This post was edited on 8/27/13 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:38 pm to geauxtigs99
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Not really they still get a share of SEC bowl appearances and some smaller bowls end up costing schools money up front.
A mid-level bowl would give aTm over a million dollars above their conference payout. And the whole notion that a team might lose money is skewed by the fact they have to share the revenue...and therefore get a payout from the other schools' bowl appearances. So the notion that a school loses money going to a bowl really isn't true after you factor in all of the bowl revenue they receive.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:39 pm to GerryDiNardo
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It's the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit that would have the NCAA worried, not Mike Slive.
Which is why Manziel likely plays every game with no penalties towards A&M.
As soon as Bilas broke the NCAA webstore, they were sunk.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 1:39 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
What player has been suspended for allowing someone to make money of an autograph and not stopping them?
Major violations over a single dumba$$ signing memorabilia? Has to be more than that, hell they aren't even on probation.
Major violations over a single dumba$$ signing memorabilia? Has to be more than that, hell they aren't even on probation.
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