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Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:52 pm to WDE24
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:52 pm to WDE24
I don't think the HUNH will lead to more serious injury, but I do think it will lead to more cramping, both real and fake. 
And there will be virtually nothing a team can do about it. How do you prove someone is not cramping?
And there will be virtually nothing a team can do about it. How do you prove someone is not cramping? 
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:52 pm to Monticello
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You begin to realize that a lot of the things you wanted to do in your old role are not practical in your new role.
A lot of things you were limited to do in your old role that you can now do, could be said also.
Malzahns philosophy is to get the ball back as quickly as possible and score again
This post was edited on 7/22/13 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:53 pm to JB Bama
quote:And against the rules.
better not start bitching when more and more minor injuries start occuring on big 3rd downs. It's just a strategic move by the defense to counter the Hurry up.
quote:Or can we just expect these teams to turn into soccer players?
Feigning is unethical, dishonest, unsportsmanlike and contrary to the spirit of the rules.
This post was edited on 7/22/13 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:53 pm to Monticello
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How do you prove someone is not cramping?
When your coaches(not referring to bama here) are on the sideline waiving you to fall to the ground as you are running off the field, its pretty clear sometimes
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:54 pm to Monticello
quote:It is a tough spot. If it gets bad enough though, the league will step in and try and deter it. I know the NFL is dealing with this issue now.
And there will be virtually nothing a team can do about it. How do you prove someone is not cramping?
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:54 pm to DocEllis
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I understand why you're defensive on this particular issue given the system AU runs but it is naive to ignore this fact
quite possible
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The threat of player safety issues changing the game is real
Player safety is very important, and it's only getting more dangerous out there...the HUNH is not the reason for more and more serious injuries in football. And to believe that saban wants rules changes to the HUNH is becuase of player safey is also naive.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:54 pm to Irons Puppet
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Now he is saying he is neither for or against the HUNH Offense
So he's agnostic?
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:58 pm to piggidyphish
The class action lawsuits aren't exclusive to "concussions." Again, it is about the cost of medical coverage provided to current and former players by the leagues who orofit off of the game. The concussion issue is at the forefront of it because that is the area where the most damage has been done and for much of the game's history, little has been understood about it.
You demonstrate an ignorance of the subject at hand by oversimplifying the issue in saying the lawsuits are "about concussions," as if other aspects of player safety are a nonissue. And on that note, you're flat out wrong to dismiss things like the length of the game, the number of collisions, etc. as irrelevant to the conversation going on right now about player safety. It's absolutely on the table, whether you think it's a weak argument or not.
If it were up to me, everything would stay the same. But I recognize this is not really a reasonable point of view in the long term.
You demonstrate an ignorance of the subject at hand by oversimplifying the issue in saying the lawsuits are "about concussions," as if other aspects of player safety are a nonissue. And on that note, you're flat out wrong to dismiss things like the length of the game, the number of collisions, etc. as irrelevant to the conversation going on right now about player safety. It's absolutely on the table, whether you think it's a weak argument or not.
If it were up to me, everything would stay the same. But I recognize this is not really a reasonable point of view in the long term.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 3:59 pm to NYCAuburn
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A lot of things you were limited to do in your old role that you can now do, could be said also.
Malzahns philosophy is to get the back as quickly as possible and score again
True. If he stays as true to his idealistic offense as he wants to though, I think he will see that in this league he is going to have to protect his defense. I think the HUNH will be a very common package, but if the offense is coming back on the field after his defense just got beaten up on a 7 minute drive, I highly doubt he comes right back out in no huddle. You can't risk going 3 and out and only eating up 40 seconds of clock.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:02 pm to NYCAuburn
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When your coaches(not referring to bama here) are on the sideline waiving you to fall to the ground as you are running off the field, its pretty clear sometimes
Clear to the tv audience, but not to the refs on the field. And coaches will do a better job of training players when to flop so that the coach does not have to signal it in. The only thing the NCAA could do about it is to put a limit on the number of injury TO's a team gets per half before they have to use a regular TO or be assessed a penalty. I highly doubt the NCAA would do anything like that though considering they are on a witch hunt to protect player safety.
This post was edited on 7/22/13 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:03 pm to Monticello
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I think he will see that in this league he is going to have to protect his defense
I think he will have to see it as protecting his recruiting base by utilizing his D, therefore giving up something, like time. with the HUNH he can still give a break by lining up and running clock before starting the play.
obviously you cant run the fast offense 100% of the time. but you can still capitalize on the benefits of the HUNH and waste clock
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:04 pm to Monticello
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would bet over time Malzahn dials back the hurry up concept a little bit once he realizes his defense can't stay on the field 40 minutes a game
Oregon has done pretty well with it. The margin of error on defense is less when you have an offense that can score. If you have an average offense, your defense better get a lot of three and outs.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:04 pm to DocEllis
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You demonstrate an ignorance of the subject at hand by oversimplifying the issue in saying the lawsuits are "about concussions,"
Then elighten me.
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as if other aspects of player safety are a nonissue
Do me this favor...don't suggest i'm being ignorant then propose to tell me what i think.
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you're flat out wrong to dismiss things like the length of the game
i've never dismissed it. In fact if you're of the mind of shortening the game then shorten the game, don't do running clocks etc. I've always felt this way, about all sports too.
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It's absolutely on the table, whether you think it's a weak argument or not.
Simply put, Nick saban is not attacking the HUNH because of safety. I can't say it any other way than that. You want to call me naive then stick to your guns on this one...go for it. Wouldn't be the first time someones been a hypocrite on this board.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:06 pm to NYCAuburn
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with the HUNH he can still give a break by lining up and running clock before starting the play.
That's a very good point I did not think about. He can go no huddle and still kill clock without giving the defense an opportunity to sub players. It would limit the number of plays he can run, but it would give his D a break.
This post was edited on 7/22/13 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:07 pm to Monticello
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Clear to the tv audience, but not to the refs on the field
I think the refs had their backs to the coaches, as they probably don't look at the coaches that often. but it was plain as day and actually not on TV.
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The only thing the NCAA could do about it is to put a limit on the number of injury TO's a team gets per half before they have to use a regular TO or be assessed a penalty. I highly doubt the NCAA would do anything like that though considering they are on a witch hunt to protect player safety.
timeout penalties, personal fouls and possible coach suspension for severe multiple violations could help. and again like you've said before, it's hard to spot all of them
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:11 pm to Monticello
Saban is right and deep down everyone knows it. Football was never designed to be played as a continuous sport, it takes away the beautiful chess match between coaches every play as they switch the personnel and packages and try to get one past the opposing team. It's not Saban's fault you can't recruit and develop players like he can, and we should not be subjected to pussy football because of it.
And with all of the head injury studies, obviously adding an additional 20-30 plays a game, and that many extra hits is going to be a health issue going forward, and ultimately it will be on that basis that rules will change forcing the ref to give the defense time to sub every 3 plays or whatever. Saban will win this debate, watch and see. It may not be this year or next year but 5 years from now there will be rules that slow the game down. Pussy teams like AU and OM will just have to man up and recruit and develop players like Saban does or continue to get the crap kicked out of them every year. Either way Saban wins and more crystal is on the way.
And with all of the head injury studies, obviously adding an additional 20-30 plays a game, and that many extra hits is going to be a health issue going forward, and ultimately it will be on that basis that rules will change forcing the ref to give the defense time to sub every 3 plays or whatever. Saban will win this debate, watch and see. It may not be this year or next year but 5 years from now there will be rules that slow the game down. Pussy teams like AU and OM will just have to man up and recruit and develop players like Saban does or continue to get the crap kicked out of them every year. Either way Saban wins and more crystal is on the way.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:11 pm to NYCAuburn
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timeout penalties, personal fouls and possible coach suspension for severe multiple violations could help. and again like you've said before, it's hard to spot all of them
Yea that's the hard part though. How do you prove a guy faked his cramp? The coach can always say it was hot and the hurry up made it impossible for me to sub my tired players out, so they were cramping all game.
I'm not on the player safety v. HUNH bandwagon by any means, but there will absolutely be more legitimate cramping against a HUNH offense. If a guy starts to feel really tired and would normally sub out, but is forced to stay on an extra 3 plays due to the no huddle, he is going to get a cramp.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:13 pm to tider04
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we should not be subjected to pussy football because of it.
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adding an additional 20-30 plays a game, and that many extra hits is going to be a health issue going forward
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man up
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:13 pm to tider04
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Pussy teams like AU and OM
whoohoo another one of you guys.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 4:13 pm to piggidyphish
I've explained it already in nearly all of my posts, and you keep saying "those lawsuits are about concussions" which isn't true.
I understand that nothing I say will convince you as an auburn superfan that saban is making a reasonable argument here, and because I don't know or care about his true motives, I won't try to. I'm just explaining that regardless of Nick Saban and his motives, the idea that a philosophy of which the stated objective is to increase the number of plays per game, and therefore the number of collisions per game, might be restricted in some way in the future is not unreasonable given the current state of affairs. For this reason, what saban is saying is not really that unreasonable, regardless of why you, an auburn fan, think he is saying it. That is my only point.
I understand that nothing I say will convince you as an auburn superfan that saban is making a reasonable argument here, and because I don't know or care about his true motives, I won't try to. I'm just explaining that regardless of Nick Saban and his motives, the idea that a philosophy of which the stated objective is to increase the number of plays per game, and therefore the number of collisions per game, might be restricted in some way in the future is not unreasonable given the current state of affairs. For this reason, what saban is saying is not really that unreasonable, regardless of why you, an auburn fan, think he is saying it. That is my only point.
This post was edited on 7/22/13 at 4:14 pm
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