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re: Top QB, WR and RB Combo's for 2013
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:18 pm to FormMorm
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:18 pm to FormMorm
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You guys really believe what you're saying don't you?
About what? Can you name a back in the country not named Todd Gurley who is for sure better than TJ Yeldon?
Can you show me a long list of people not associated with A&M praising Evans as much as Cooper?
As for JFF and AJ, I already said JFF is better, but to think the gap is so wide...that's not only disrespectful, it's a slap in the face to the art of QBing.
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Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:34 pm to KennesawTiger
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Great, that doesn't make them better than what Oregon has Yeah, it does.
Kennesaw - USC has major questionmarks at QB and RB. Lee is all-world.
Oregon's number one receiver is Huff. He has been dinged up the past two years, so his production is suspect. He is moving to the slot, presumably to play DAT's old spot. So, he will be rushing the ball in a hybrid role. He was effective his true frosh year in this role.
Bralon Addison had a breakout spring. So, it will be interesting to see if he can usurp Huff as Mariota's top WR target. Likewise, BJ Kelley had an outstanding spring.
I have a feeling that Colt Lyerla will be our #1 passing threat at TE. He will be unstoppable.
All in all, Oregon most likely will spread out the production in the receiving corp.
Also, DAT is not a true runningback. He does look thicker this spring, so I am cautiously optimistic. Byron Marshall is talented but inexperienced. Tyner could be an x factor.
Back to the OP, Oregon will probably spread the ball around, so this probably drops them if you are looking at #1 QB, RB and WR.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:36 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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This isn't what it's about. First of all being a great rusher doesn't automatically make him a million times better than AJ, AJ's a much more efficient passer, and has lost as many games in his career as JFF did in one season.
This is what doesn't make sense, and it is such a weak arguement. "Efficiency". It has to do with what? Some arbitrary weight of TDs, yards, completions, and INTs as a function of completions... Which I'm guessing you don't know off the top of your head. If that formula was written differently, JFF could be considered more "efficient". Currently you say "much more efficient", but how much more? Is it a liner relationship? Is there a running back rating? If we just lumped in both QBs rushing attempts and rushing TDs, woul that make a difference? What about on third down or in the red zone? What about first down conversions? What about game situations or junk plays? None of that is factored in. Did you know Johnny lead the entire country in passing yards per play(not merely attempt) and rushing yards per attempt on third down? Where does AJ rank? Which makes the efficiency argument null in my book. First off it is only passing, which isn't QB play, secondly, it doesn't factor in decision making or a QB's ability to run.
Sell me on AJ without passer rating. He may be "much more efficient", but I'm not sold whatsoever. I'd like to hear why you think that other than that "statistic". Legitimately.
And I mean, just because someone I different, doesn't mean that difference is relevant. Tom Brady with Michael Vick's running ability is a better player than Tom Brady with Tom Brady's running ability. They are different QBs, but one is better than the other.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:38 pm to FormMorm
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This isn't what it's about. First of all being a great rusher doesn't automatically make him a million times better than AJ, AJ's a much more efficient passer, and has lost as many games in his career as JFF did in one season.
They do, and they aren't being as irrational as most gumps. This is actually a fun convo. Don't bring personal attacks and shite in. Just address the topics.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:44 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Tom Brady with Michael Vick's running ability is a better player than Tom Brady with Tom Brady's running ability.
ROFL good lord.
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They are different QBs, but one is better than the other.
I think most of us have admitted that JFF is a better college QB than AJ.
This post was edited on 5/4/13 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:45 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Can you show me a long list of people not associated with A&M praising Evans as much as Cooper?
Show me some non-biased sources that cover both equally and I am curious as to what they say. I they were on the same team, I don't think either would get targeted more than the other, get any more extra attention than the other, or be more productive, in fact Evans would probably be more productive in the red zone. Again, receiver, even if you're weighting that position equally valuable in this thread, the marginal difference, IMO is incredibly negligible if there even is one.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:48 pm to Funky Tide 8
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I think most of us have admitted that JFF is a better college QB than AJ.
But y'all are trying to down play Johnny's running ability in this argument, by merely saying they are just different. I don't think that is fair. And of course Johnny is better.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:50 pm to TeLeFaWx
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But y'all are trying to down play Johnny's running ability in this argument, by merely saying they are just different.
You say we are trying to downplaying it, but we arent. We are merely trying to explain that just because JFF is an excellent runner, that doesnt make him light years better than AJ at QUARTERBACK.
This post was edited on 5/4/13 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:51 pm to TeLeFaWx
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But y'all are trying to down play Johnny's running ability in this argument, by merely saying they are just different. I don't think that is fair. And of course Johnny is better.
We're not down playing it, we're just saying that it doesn't automatically mean he's soooo much better than AJ.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:52 pm to TeLeFaWx
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They do, and they aren't being as irrational as most gumps. This is actually a fun convo. Don't bring personal attacks and shite in. Just address the topics.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:54 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Again, receiver, even if you're weighting that position equally valuable in this thread, the marginal difference, IMO is incredibly negligible if there even is one.
I don't think we can call it negligible. For a comparison, say you're picking between two players. They're exactly equal in everything except shooting % from the field as a whole. One shoots 44%, the other shoots 45%, which do you take? Even though the difference probably isn't noticeable, you'd still pick the 45% shooter, correct?
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:55 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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We're not down playing it, we're just saying that it doesn't automatically mean he's soooo much better than AJ.
As a non-SEC fan, I am really curious if there will be dropoff for Manziel. I have perused the thread and see aTm fans saying that the tackle spot won't drop off too much. That is not my only concern. Those larger than life temperments are prone to inconsistencies.
This post was edited on 5/4/13 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:55 pm to Funky Tide 8
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You say we are trying to downplaying it, but we arent. We are merely trying to explain that just because JFF is an excellent runner, that that makes him light years better than AJ at QUARTERBACK.
Well. Yes. Quarterbacks can run so that is part of the equation. 6 points running the ball past the goal line, 6 points for passing it to a receiver across the goal line. Same goes for a first down. I mean I'm not even convinced AJ is a better passer. Other than an arbitrary "efficiency" statistic that punishes you for choosing to run instead of pass, when running is the better option, I don't know why gumps think AJ is such a better passer. I know who the better "passer" was on 29-24, and it wasn't even close.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:58 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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I don't think we can call it negligible. For a comparison, say you're picking between two players. They're exactly equal in everything except shooting % from the field as a whole. One shoots 44%, the other shoots 45%, which do you take? Even though the difference probably isn't noticeable, you'd still pick the 45% shooter, correct?
Well if we think of that as yardage per game(which Evans had more of I think) and given a combo where the QB is the other player, and that guy is shooting 70% an the other QB 50%, I would take the 70% and 44% combination over the 50% and 45% combination.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:59 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I know who the better "passer" was on 29-24, and it wasn't even close.
Nice :FaWx: , and accurate
Posted on 5/4/13 at 10:00 pm to bisonduck
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As a non-SEC fan, I am really curious if there will be dropoff for Manziel. I have perused the thread and see aTm fans saying that the tackle spot won't drop off too much. That is not my only concern. Those larger than life temperments are prone to inconsistencies.
I'm not convinced that their OL will be as good as it was, but the drop off at LT SHOULD be minimal. Jake would have started at LT for most schools last season.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 10:03 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I know who the better "passer" was on 29-24, and it wasn't even close.
And that's one game. This isn't an excuse, but if you ask me playcalling was the problem in that stretch of the season. We'd be running well, but then start calling BS pass plays. We'd have first and goal with an amazing OL, and pass multiple times. AJ would be a little off key, and we don't run. I think Saban got under Nuss' arse at one point, and we shouldn't see shitty playcalling again, but that said I'm not trying to make an excuse for AJ, he didn't have a good game against A&M, why? I don't know, you didn't exactly have world beaters on defense, he may have been hurt sure, but he should have played better. His stats only look passable because we had to play catchup and just chunk it.
I will say that he only really threw one INT that game, the first one was on the WR.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 10:04 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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I'm not convinced that their OL will be as good as it was, but the drop off at LT SHOULD be minimal. Jake would have started at LT for most schools last season.
Including Alabama? ;)
Posted on 5/4/13 at 10:04 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Can you show me a long list of people not associated with A&M praising Evans as much as Cooper?
Show me some non-biased sources that cover both equally and I am curious as to what they say.
I stated earlier in this thread that this past Thursday on 104.5 The Zone in Nashville, Chris Low with ESPN was asked to rank the WR in the SEC. He stated Cooper was #1 and no one else was close, he they said that Matthews and Evans were 2.a and 2.b and that both would be drafted in the first or second round next year. He then said, that shows you how good Cooper is.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 10:06 pm to bisonduck
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As a non-SEC fan, I am really curious if there will be dropoff for Manziel. I have perused the thread and see aTm fans saying that the tackle spot won't drop off too much.
Depends on what you perceive as a "dropoff." JFF will NOT put up nearly the same crazy stats as last season, IMO--but the offense will be even better. Manziel won't HAVE to put up stupid numbers because the Aggie offense should be a multi-headed monster.
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