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re: Which school in the SEC would you send your children?
Posted on 7/5/12 at 5:39 pm to Porker Face
Posted on 7/5/12 at 5:39 pm to Porker Face
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PorkerFace
You have 2 of the top 3 highest academically rated SEC schools in your no list. I am not trying to beat my chest about A&M's ranking, but your priorities seem off.
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Posted on 7/5/12 at 5:42 pm to bayou2003
Don't get me wrong, successful people come out of literally every school in the country all the time.
This is a very on-the-whole topic. All I'm saying is ON AVERAGE Texas A&M get a better education/make more money than Arkansas grads. To the individual, this shouldn't mean THAT much. How hard you work after college is going to go a lot further in determining how well you do in life.
But if the conversation is in the context of rating SEC schools by academics, A&M is going to be near the top because academic rankings are the best way we have of determining that. That's all I'm saying.
This is a very on-the-whole topic. All I'm saying is ON AVERAGE Texas A&M get a better education/make more money than Arkansas grads. To the individual, this shouldn't mean THAT much. How hard you work after college is going to go a lot further in determining how well you do in life.
But if the conversation is in the context of rating SEC schools by academics, A&M is going to be near the top because academic rankings are the best way we have of determining that. That's all I'm saying.
Posted on 7/5/12 at 5:42 pm to piggilicious
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I don't even think most of them are trying to troll either.
Its built into being a Texan.
It is not all bad though. When you are prideful you work to give reason to the pride, and real Texans are some of the hardest working folks I have ever met.
Posted on 7/5/12 at 5:54 pm to blacknblu
I would send my kid to whatever school he/she wanted to go to and felt the most comfortable at combined with whatever he/she wanted to study.
IMO the parent should do everything to help and guide the kid to make the right decision, but in the end it's the kid's decision. Financially you can find a way to pay for it no matter if you're poor or rich. The parent should not EVER not allow their kids to attend a certain University based on that parent's own personal bias. Don't mess up a kid's future by being an idiot.
IMO the parent should do everything to help and guide the kid to make the right decision, but in the end it's the kid's decision. Financially you can find a way to pay for it no matter if you're poor or rich. The parent should not EVER not allow their kids to attend a certain University based on that parent's own personal bias. Don't mess up a kid's future by being an idiot.
Posted on 7/5/12 at 6:07 pm to cardboardboxer
The reason I have aTm in the no section is the size. It's too big, and I wouldn't want my kid learning Texan values anyway. I can hardly stand the uppity Texans around Fayetteville, can't imagine a campus full of them, much less one of 50k+.
Posted on 7/5/12 at 6:13 pm to Porker Face
Why not Florida?
This post was edited on 7/5/12 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 7/5/12 at 6:38 pm to cardboardboxer
Same reason, very big. Too big IMO
Posted on 7/5/12 at 6:38 pm to cardboardboxer
You can get good academics at a school without being massive
Posted on 7/5/12 at 6:39 pm to deltaland
+1
Posted on 7/5/12 at 6:42 pm to blacknblu
Whichever would give them the best opportunity to be successful in the field they choose to work in for their future.
Posted on 7/5/12 at 6:43 pm to deltaland
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Financially you can find a way to pay for it no matter if you're poor or rich.
This. My cousin's son, wanted to attend Bama. My cousin didn't get the chance to attend college, but he's working 2 full time and a part time job to put his son through.
Posted on 7/5/12 at 6:44 pm to Porker Face
And you can also get a good education at a big school...
Posted on 7/5/12 at 6:48 pm to GalvoAg
I know, but it is not the same experience as a small school, which is superior in my view
Posted on 7/5/12 at 7:11 pm to bpfergu
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If you want to call hands-on experiences an "assumption" then so be it. We'll agree to disagree on that one.
Also, please show how I made an assumption on the "relationship between intellect, knowledge, and ability to get a quality education". I am curious to see how you are going to mold my words to try to prove this.
It's really weird discussing things with you Aggies on here. I make a simple statement and you think I'm trying to challenge how smart you are, or your standardized test scores, or your endowment size, etc. You seem to be a really insecure bunch.
Honestly, I don't really care who I learn with. Engineering knowledge has nothing to do with how smart people around you are. Last time I checked the laws of thermodynamics don't have a special disclaimer that recommends that you learn it around people that are at least in the 90% percentile in terms of intelligence.
Despite my continuous attempts, I really don't think you are going to be able to understand what I am trying to say here, which is fine.
First of all, I am from Arkansas. I attended Arkansas. I have season tickets, and my family are Broyles-Matthews Silver donors. Please do not call me an Aggie or act like I am somehow anti-Arkansas. I live in the real world. In this, some things are better than others. For example, Arkansas has a better football team than A&M. This can be measured via a ranking. It just so happens that when it comes to academics, A&M is superior. This can also be measured via a ranking. I would not trade my undergraduate education for anything, but I also realize that in some areas (and relative to A&M, Florida, Vandy) Arkansas has much room for improvement.
It is an assumption to assume that your so-called "hands-on" experience is somehow superior than everyone else's or the "arbitrary rankings."
You keep going on about how all educations are the same everywhere. Then you say that admissions don't matter. Then you say that knowledge is your metric for judging one's education or their job worthiness. As I explained, intellect when combined with knowledge and ability is better than any one of these alone. Taking 90% percentile students and giving them more knowledge yields better than taking 60th and giving them the same knowledge. This is not a difficult concept. Do you really think that students who make a 21 on the ACT are just as likely to grasp these laws of thermodynamics as those who make a 28? If you don't care who you learn with then I do not what else I can say. Having smart people around makes one smarter, this is quite supported through research.
I have maintained throughout this discussion that all the SEC schools are fine universities. But there are differences. To deny this is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 7/5/12 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 7/5/12 at 7:12 pm to Porker Face
Every school provides a different experience, obviously, but in the spirit of this thread's preaching exceptions rather than the rule, isn't it possible for students in small schools to slip through the cracks?
The selling point for a small school would be the teacher:student ratio, but professors for the largest classes in the largest universities maintain office hours where a student has the opportunity to close that ratio to 1:1. There are study groups. There are TAs.
Ultimately, the great equalizer is a student's own work ethic and aptitude, but if you're comparing the academics of schools the best thing you can do is take your own bias out of the equation and trust experts that have already done the analysis for you and place some trust in academic rankings.
On a separate point - College Station, TX is one of the friendliest towns in the United States. Rand McNally was just in town last week 'cause College Station is a finalist for friendliest town in the nation. Texans are proud people but I've never seen anything about us being aholes until this thread.
Also - The Alamo comment earlier cracked me up. That may have been a lost battle but it held Santa Anna up long enough for reinforcements to gather up the road, so ultimately was a victory. I do enjoy the thought of Texans celebrating failures though.
One last thought - everyone on this thread should be pumping up their own school. If you're not - you did it wrong.
The selling point for a small school would be the teacher:student ratio, but professors for the largest classes in the largest universities maintain office hours where a student has the opportunity to close that ratio to 1:1. There are study groups. There are TAs.
Ultimately, the great equalizer is a student's own work ethic and aptitude, but if you're comparing the academics of schools the best thing you can do is take your own bias out of the equation and trust experts that have already done the analysis for you and place some trust in academic rankings.
On a separate point - College Station, TX is one of the friendliest towns in the United States. Rand McNally was just in town last week 'cause College Station is a finalist for friendliest town in the nation. Texans are proud people but I've never seen anything about us being aholes until this thread.
Also - The Alamo comment earlier cracked me up. That may have been a lost battle but it held Santa Anna up long enough for reinforcements to gather up the road, so ultimately was a victory. I do enjoy the thought of Texans celebrating failures though.
One last thought - everyone on this thread should be pumping up their own school. If you're not - you did it wrong.
Posted on 7/5/12 at 7:14 pm to Porker Face
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it is not the same experience as a small school
I can agree with this, when I went to Ole Miss that was one of the things I liked most about the school. It felt like I knew more people and almost family like (which is nice when your so far away from home as a freshmen, at least it was to me anyway)
This post was edited on 7/5/12 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 7/5/12 at 7:17 pm to AAM02
I guess I could have at least answered the OP.
1) Texas A&M.
That's the only place I will send my kid. My kids can send themselves elsewhere if they want, but if I'm doing the sending it's going to be to Aggieland.
1) Texas A&M.
That's the only place I will send my kid. My kids can send themselves elsewhere if they want, but if I'm doing the sending it's going to be to Aggieland.
Posted on 7/5/12 at 7:21 pm to Porker Face
Your choice of major also matters. I wouldn't go to TAMU in the fine arts for example. Not really sure that the liberal arts are areas of TAMU excellence either. Some of the SEC schools excel in these areas.
TAMU's recently-acquired Law school doesn't hold a candle to Bama, Texas, SMU or Baylor, and their Med school is no where near the caliber of Bama, Baylor(not affiliated with Baylor University) or UTSouthwestern(the highest-ranked UTexas Medical school,)for example. Many of the other SEC states have Med schools that rank higher than TAMU too.
I also don't think that the business world holds Aggie degrees in higher esteem than Baylor, SMU or Texas either.
I don't mean to denigrate the TAMU degree at all, but some of the generalizations I'm reading just defy all logic.
TAMU's recently-acquired Law school doesn't hold a candle to Bama, Texas, SMU or Baylor, and their Med school is no where near the caliber of Bama, Baylor(not affiliated with Baylor University) or UTSouthwestern(the highest-ranked UTexas Medical school,)for example. Many of the other SEC states have Med schools that rank higher than TAMU too.
I also don't think that the business world holds Aggie degrees in higher esteem than Baylor, SMU or Texas either.
I don't mean to denigrate the TAMU degree at all, but some of the generalizations I'm reading just defy all logic.
Posted on 7/5/12 at 7:25 pm to blacknblu
TeLeFaWx, do you always have to troll and start shite?
for me...
1. a&m by a large margin - My degree has opened so many doors that wouldn't have been open otherwise.
2. UGA - dad and a few other family members graduated from here
3. Vandy
4. Tennessee - many family members from here.
5. UF - quality of education.
for me...
1. a&m by a large margin - My degree has opened so many doors that wouldn't have been open otherwise.
2. UGA - dad and a few other family members graduated from here
3. Vandy
4. Tennessee - many family members from here.
5. UF - quality of education.
Posted on 7/5/12 at 7:27 pm to DocHog
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I also don't think that the business world holds Aggie degrees in higher esteem than Baylor, SMU or Texas either.
You made some good points but this little tid bit here is just patently false.
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