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re: Has LSU recruiting been = to Bama's? say... last 5 yrs.
Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:05 pm to BamaStepL
Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:05 pm to BamaStepL
both schools have gotten to the point that they only need to recruit for need, not overall talent. and, like someone previously said, the top 1-5 recruiting rankings are pretty much the same.
to both schools and coaches.
to both schools and coaches.
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Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:05 pm to arwicklu
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Losing on guys like Collins did hurt a bit.
Losing Collins and Gunner plummeted the ranking. Will it matter? If Mett goes early and we don't have a decent QB for 2013 it'll matter a lot. Collins is a great athlete but the club has lot of those. Losing that Connor kid to SCar (supposedly) could be another big loss. Krag really needs to come through with Mett to show recruits LSU isn't a graveyard for QB's.
Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:06 pm to BamaStepL
Xavier Lee
Bryce Brown
Rhett Bomar
Anthony Morelli
Ryan Periloux
All were fapped over by the recruiting services that only way to grade reruiting to split hairs between the top ten is looking back 4 years
Bryce Brown
Rhett Bomar
Anthony Morelli
Ryan Periloux
All were fapped over by the recruiting services that only way to grade reruiting to split hairs between the top ten is looking back 4 years
Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:06 pm to BamaStepL
We're the only major university in a very talent-rich state. After we beat Bama 22-0 this year to restore order, we'll be raking in the recruits.
(That last sentence was trolling, but I was dead serious about being the only bigtime school in a state full of talented athletes. We will be fine.)
(That last sentence was trolling, but I was dead serious about being the only bigtime school in a state full of talented athletes. We will be fine.)
Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:07 pm to BamaStepL
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BamaStepL
: Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:08 pm to KillianRussell
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Ryan Periloux
Probably cost the club a realistic shot at a CCG for two years.
Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:09 pm to KillianRussell
yep and using recruiting rankings only to decide talent is pretty fricking stupid but you can't expect better out of the updyke portion of any fan base.
Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:10 pm to BamaStepL
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The faith in mettenbrg is only a huge collective prayer by the LSU faithful that hopes he's better than his predecessors..
Did you see what LSU trotted out last at the qb position?
Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:11 pm to southgaTIGER
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After we beat Bama 22-0 this year
not allowing them to their own 49...might as well go whole hog man.
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to restore order
LSU is defending Conference Champ. Maintain the order I say, be first to repeat since 97/98 I think.
Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:12 pm to BamaStepL
quote:and you question why people laugh at your opinions
Whatever... All of LSU's talent is stocked at RB and DL positions.
Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:15 pm to BamaStepL
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Nah LSU nausea.. I don't get the hype of LSU being #1. But I guess it will make the fall more fun to watch.
If you really don't understand why LSU is getting hyped up, you don't understand football. Period. We return a lot of a two deep roster that curb stomped the sec.
Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:15 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Did you see what LSU trotted out last at the qb position?
For three friggin years...the fact that CLM went 33-7 is amazing. Of course, ultimately, he is responsible for recruiting...and hence responsible.
Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:15 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
I was thinking more along the lines of negative total yardage by the Bama offense. And "maintaining order" is fine by me!
I was about to type something about a mulligan just to piss in the Corn Flakes of the hoards of Bama fans that congregate here, but then it dawned on me that they might think I'm still upset about that game. BRING ON 2012!
I was about to type something about a mulligan just to piss in the Corn Flakes of the hoards of Bama fans that congregate here, but then it dawned on me that they might think I'm still upset about that game. BRING ON 2012!
Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:18 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
These Bama fans are grasping at anything to discredit the talent we have coming back. Callin TM a shitty CB and saying he got burnt on jan 9th. I guess they don't understand that they are actually complimenting TM. Giving up 0 passing Tds and 4 completions is getting burnt when talking of TM.
Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:19 pm to southgaTIGER
lol at the Bama fan pouting because LSU has a better preseason ranking.
whaaaa BAMA should be #1
ALL THE TIME
whaaaa BAMA should be #1
ALL THE TIME Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:19 pm to BamaStepL
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All of LSU's talent is stocked at RB and DL positions.
Well this is puzzling.
Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:20 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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For three friggin years...the fact that CLM went 33-7 is amazing. Of course, ultimately, he is responsible for recruiting...and hence responsible.
Well Miles didn't expect either to start until 2010 or 2009 at the earliest. He whom shall not be named , really fricked us
Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:23 pm to tigerfan4120
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BAMA should be #1
Well they've done well in recruiting and with their coach the biggest thing is a down year for them is 10 wins...for other it's 6 or 7 wins.
Posted on 5/13/12 at 5:26 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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He whom shall not be named
Last I heard he was on practice squad for NYG...not sure what he's doing now.
Posted on 5/13/12 at 6:17 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
I look at it 2 ways.
Purely by rankings, Bama has outrecruited LSU and there's no debate about it. Bama is a recruiting machine not seen since the Carroll USC days(though Kiffin is doing the same thing so maybe it's just USC) but maybe even better aside from the qb position.
As far as pure talent I'd say Bama has more talented overall depth but in regards to the top 44, most people felt LSU was more talented last year. Many people said we were the most talented team in the country aside from at the qb position. That is debatable and know one really knows for sure but the pro evaluators had that line of thinking last year and will this year. After that is not able to be answered right now. No one has seen the young kids perform on the field.
The reason for LSU being equal in talent without the rankings showing it is the major flaw in recruiting evals. It's all based on potential and upside and that can't be fully determined until the kids are in a college program with the coaching and strength programs. Some kids flourish while others do not. Also the flaw that LA just is not thoroughly evaluated by recruiting people. There are a ton of extremely gifted kids in LA that are severly under the radar and blossom with proper coaching and strength programs. Examples like Claiborne, Bennie Logan, Barkevious Mingo(ranked well but no one saw him being what he has become), Tyrann Mathieu and PJ Lonergan and that's just the kids now. It's just part of the flaws of recruiting sites and not really something that will change.
On paper, Bama should be leaps and bounds above everyone, not based on one particular class but based on a collective of the classes but aren't though LSU is really the only school thisclose . That tells me the Bama and LSU staffs are better evaluators and coaches than even the best analysts say. Just imagine if LSU had a qb the level of McElroy and McCarron the last 4 years. Would have been something to see. Those 2 guys aren't the flashy, headline grabbing guys but work in the system and take the coaching they recieve and maximize it on the field. That's all LSU needs and the same for Bama.
My take by position of Bama/LSU
QB-Kind of 2 sided. McCarron is the best of the bunch because he's proven but LSU has better talent in terms of depth. I think the Morris kid is maybe the 2nd or 3rd best talent on both teams but he's competing with Mett and Liggins for those spots. It's a tossup. Advantage Bama because McCarron has proven his worth though Mettenberger is the better talent.
RB-I think Bama has the top 2 talents in Yeldon and Hart but LSU's depth wins this one overall. All of LSU's guys are at the Eddie Lacy level and just a slight notch below Yeldon and Hart. Advantage LSU because 5 guys have proven their talent and Jeremy Hill may be the best of the group as the 6th.
WR-Advantage Bama though I believe Beckham is the best talent of the 2 groups. Bama's depth is a level better than LSU's.
TE-advantage Bama. Not very close imo. If John Thomas had made it in then LSU would be closer but he didn't.
OL- Very close and I'd say even because it's just too close. Cyrus K is the best talent.
DE-Advantage LSU and it's not real close. Depth is closer than most LSU people would care to admit but Mingo and Montgomery make this one a big advantage for LSU. Mingo is the best talent.
DT-Advantage LSU and it comes down to depth. If Bama had a 4-3 then this position would be much closer than LSU fans care to think. Most of Bama's DL are traditional 4-3 DTs and would make this very close if not in Bama's favor. 2 best talents are Jessie Williams and Anthony Johnson. Ego Ferguson isn't far behind in terms of talent.
LB-Bama and i's not even a fair comparison. Even if Bama had a 4-3 they'd have the advantage. Just another level of LB at Bama. LSU's improved a ton in the last class but Bama's was still better. That's scary. Quite a few of Bama's guys could be the top talent but I give the edge to Hubbard. That guy is a freak and would push Mingo at DE in a 4-3 based purely on talent
CB-Pretty even but LSU gets the advantage because of proven talents in Mathieu and Simon. Depth wise it's pretty even. Tough position to determine the best talent. Milliner, Simon, Jalen Collins and Belue are all extremely talented kids.
S-Pretty even but I give the advantage to Bama. The depth put it over the edge for Bama. Reid and Loston are more talented as the starters and experienced guys but Bama's youth is more talented than LSU's. Another tough one to determine the best pure talent. Landon Collins, HCD,Reid and Corey Thompson are all exceptional talents. I give a slight edge to Collins in terms of pure talent.
That's 5 for Bama, 4 for LSU and 1 even. Overall it's pretty even across the board but I think Bama has a slight depth talent advantage but it's too small to make a difference. All comes down to coaching and in game adjustments for these 2 schools. Bama has a slight advantage there but it's not as much as they or the media think.
Purely by rankings, Bama has outrecruited LSU and there's no debate about it. Bama is a recruiting machine not seen since the Carroll USC days(though Kiffin is doing the same thing so maybe it's just USC) but maybe even better aside from the qb position.
As far as pure talent I'd say Bama has more talented overall depth but in regards to the top 44, most people felt LSU was more talented last year. Many people said we were the most talented team in the country aside from at the qb position. That is debatable and know one really knows for sure but the pro evaluators had that line of thinking last year and will this year. After that is not able to be answered right now. No one has seen the young kids perform on the field.
The reason for LSU being equal in talent without the rankings showing it is the major flaw in recruiting evals. It's all based on potential and upside and that can't be fully determined until the kids are in a college program with the coaching and strength programs. Some kids flourish while others do not. Also the flaw that LA just is not thoroughly evaluated by recruiting people. There are a ton of extremely gifted kids in LA that are severly under the radar and blossom with proper coaching and strength programs. Examples like Claiborne, Bennie Logan, Barkevious Mingo(ranked well but no one saw him being what he has become), Tyrann Mathieu and PJ Lonergan and that's just the kids now. It's just part of the flaws of recruiting sites and not really something that will change.
On paper, Bama should be leaps and bounds above everyone, not based on one particular class but based on a collective of the classes but aren't though LSU is really the only school thisclose . That tells me the Bama and LSU staffs are better evaluators and coaches than even the best analysts say. Just imagine if LSU had a qb the level of McElroy and McCarron the last 4 years. Would have been something to see. Those 2 guys aren't the flashy, headline grabbing guys but work in the system and take the coaching they recieve and maximize it on the field. That's all LSU needs and the same for Bama.
My take by position of Bama/LSU
QB-Kind of 2 sided. McCarron is the best of the bunch because he's proven but LSU has better talent in terms of depth. I think the Morris kid is maybe the 2nd or 3rd best talent on both teams but he's competing with Mett and Liggins for those spots. It's a tossup. Advantage Bama because McCarron has proven his worth though Mettenberger is the better talent.
RB-I think Bama has the top 2 talents in Yeldon and Hart but LSU's depth wins this one overall. All of LSU's guys are at the Eddie Lacy level and just a slight notch below Yeldon and Hart. Advantage LSU because 5 guys have proven their talent and Jeremy Hill may be the best of the group as the 6th.
WR-Advantage Bama though I believe Beckham is the best talent of the 2 groups. Bama's depth is a level better than LSU's.
TE-advantage Bama. Not very close imo. If John Thomas had made it in then LSU would be closer but he didn't.
OL- Very close and I'd say even because it's just too close. Cyrus K is the best talent.
DE-Advantage LSU and it's not real close. Depth is closer than most LSU people would care to admit but Mingo and Montgomery make this one a big advantage for LSU. Mingo is the best talent.
DT-Advantage LSU and it comes down to depth. If Bama had a 4-3 then this position would be much closer than LSU fans care to think. Most of Bama's DL are traditional 4-3 DTs and would make this very close if not in Bama's favor. 2 best talents are Jessie Williams and Anthony Johnson. Ego Ferguson isn't far behind in terms of talent.
LB-Bama and i's not even a fair comparison. Even if Bama had a 4-3 they'd have the advantage. Just another level of LB at Bama. LSU's improved a ton in the last class but Bama's was still better. That's scary. Quite a few of Bama's guys could be the top talent but I give the edge to Hubbard. That guy is a freak and would push Mingo at DE in a 4-3 based purely on talent
CB-Pretty even but LSU gets the advantage because of proven talents in Mathieu and Simon. Depth wise it's pretty even. Tough position to determine the best talent. Milliner, Simon, Jalen Collins and Belue are all extremely talented kids.
S-Pretty even but I give the advantage to Bama. The depth put it over the edge for Bama. Reid and Loston are more talented as the starters and experienced guys but Bama's youth is more talented than LSU's. Another tough one to determine the best pure talent. Landon Collins, HCD,Reid and Corey Thompson are all exceptional talents. I give a slight edge to Collins in terms of pure talent.
That's 5 for Bama, 4 for LSU and 1 even. Overall it's pretty even across the board but I think Bama has a slight depth talent advantage but it's too small to make a difference. All comes down to coaching and in game adjustments for these 2 schools. Bama has a slight advantage there but it's not as much as they or the media think.
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