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re: Your List of SEC College football Coaches from Best to Worst.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:42 pm to Latarian
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:42 pm to Latarian
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no, you said 'if' and 'could' a couple times but didn't give me a yes or no.
everyone has injuries, everyone has players leave early, answer the question.
As of right now yes.
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:42 pm to UTVols2618
I'll ask again: So then WHY didn't they want to be there?
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:43 pm to UTVols2618
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The team played hard at the first of the year when they believed in the team, but after Bray and Hunter went down, the team gave up hope.
The Hogs and Cocks lost their best offensive player and still won 11 games. I'm sure UGA had injuries as well, everyone does. some overcome better than others.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:44 pm to UTVols2618
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As of right now yes.
there it is folks, Dooley will surpass these win totals in the next 3 years. beware SEC-East
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:44 pm to Latarian
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I can't help you any more. you're dodging my question, making excuses and just being a retard in general.
enjoy Dooley, I enjoyed watching the assraping we gave you in Fayetteville last year and also enjoyed winning 11 games.
I expect to see UT doing the same very shortly.
Isn't the all time record 12-4 with UT leading?? Yea enjoy it while you can.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:45 pm to UTVols2618
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I don't care who the coach is. If they players don't want to be there, then they don't. Its obviously Dooley's fault, but it is up to the players to try. On most teams, the upperclassmen would give it to the young guys for acting that way, but we only had 3 senior starters. The freshmen and sophomores ruled the team and they knew it.
The team played hard at the first of the year when they believed in the team, but after Bray and Hunter went down, the team gave up hope.
and as a coach it is dooley's job to ensure that never happens or to do damage control. injuries or not it is Dooley's responsibility, fair or not, to keep order. it's a shitty life but that is why these guys make millions a year because that's the expectation and dooley has failed them in practically every facet.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:47 pm to Latarian
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The Hogs and Cocks lost their best offensive player and still won 11 games. I'm sure UGA had injuries as well, everyone does. some overcome better than others.
Why is so hard for you to understand that those coaches have recruited players in their system for over 5 years. UGA and USC have quality players behind their starters since Richt and Spurrier has been recruiting at that school for a long time. UT has 18 year olds behind the 19 year old starters. Depth is the most important thing in the SEC.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:48 pm to busey
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I'll ask again: So then WHY didn't they want to be there?
Because they were tired of practicing and playing football.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:49 pm to UTVols2618
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Because they were tired of practicing and playing football.
And then Dooley failed at one of the most important aspects of his job, which is to make damn sure that doesn't happen.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:49 pm to UTVols2618
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Because they were tired of practicing and playing football.
and that is dooley's responsibility and that may be the worst sin a football player can commit aside from cheating and ratting a school out
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:50 pm to UTVols2618
And there it is....
Peyton Manning, John Henderson, Tee Martin are not walking through those doors.
What happened 13 years ago makes dick to what is going on right now, and right now Kentucky laughs at UTenn in football.
Dooley will never win 10 games @ Tenn. He will get fired and it will set your program back another 3-4 years.
Peyton Manning, John Henderson, Tee Martin are not walking through those doors.
What happened 13 years ago makes dick to what is going on right now, and right now Kentucky laughs at UTenn in football.
Dooley will never win 10 games @ Tenn. He will get fired and it will set your program back another 3-4 years.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:51 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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and as a coach it is dooley's job to ensure that never happens or to do damage control. injuries or not it is Dooley's responsibility, fair or not, to keep order. it's a shitty life but that is why these guys make millions a year because that's the expectation and dooley has failed them in practically every facet.
Im sure Dooley would have handled things differently considering what happened in the UK game, but the coaches can only teach them and put them in the right position. Its up to the players to try.
Dooley has done the most important thing which is restock the depth chart. If he has failed in every faucet, then he would have been gone by now.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:52 pm to Hawgeye
One big thing UT has going against it, is that kids coming out of HS now do not remember Tee Martin or Petyon being at UT. And Tenn doesn't have elite talent growing up in TN wanting to play for the Vols.
It's one reason Bama and LSU have been able to overcome long periods of being shitty. They'll always have that built in recruiting base. TN...not so much. A long down period could be the end of UT ever getting more than 6-8 wins regularly.
It's one reason Bama and LSU have been able to overcome long periods of being shitty. They'll always have that built in recruiting base. TN...not so much. A long down period could be the end of UT ever getting more than 6-8 wins regularly.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:53 pm to busey
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And then Dooley failed at one of the most important aspects of his job, which is to make damn sure that doesn't happen.
The starters haven't had to work for anything. They haven't had to pay their dues on the bench and wait for their time to play. Bray and Rogers don't know what its like to wait your turn and battle out someone for a starting job.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:54 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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and that is dooley's responsibility and that may be the worst sin a football player can commit aside from cheating and ratting a school out
It is, but Darick and Bray were given the job right when they walked on campus. Some people can handle it, some people can't. They both need to grow up and become leaders. The biggest problem on the team was the lack of leadership.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:57 pm to Hawgeye
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And there it is....
Peyton Manning, John Henderson, Tee Martin are not walking through those doors.
What happened 13 years ago makes dick to what is going on right now, and right now Kentucky laughs at UTenn in football.
Dooley will never win 10 games @ Tenn. He will get fired and it will set your program back another 3-4 years.
It is very possible for Hunter, Rogers, and Bray to go in the first round. Eventhough I think Rogers will go in the second, it is still very possible. We have a lot of good young talent. Its just the players behind them.
If Dooley is fired, the program won't be set back. He has done his number 1 job which was restore the roster.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:59 pm to UTVols2618
dooley has to put these kids in position to win and a part of that is ensuring full commitment and eliminating cancerous players and thoughts. this is his football program, he HAS to be responsible for it all. if Coke has some turnover in the management ranks and suddenly the company has a heavy influx young employees and they go on to have a horrid quarter or year then the CEO of Coke is the guy getting fricked. the board is getting axed. sure, it may be unfair because he lost a lot of good employees but the company is his responsibility, someone has to go down with the ship.
idk why Coke would have such a situation but this is the same. Dooley is the CEO and UT is not only running in the red their players are bailing, his staff is bailing, the constituency is in uproar. what about that sounds successful for a guy in his 3rd year for you? i think when he came to UT everyone was willing to wait but he has actually had such a horrible product for 2 years that he is actually expedited the hot seat. with UT so far in the shitter it may make sense to say hell, let's hit the reset button once again and start over because it isn't like dooley has really gotten tenneessee in a position where they can fear falling further because UT is pretty damn far down.
this is a dooley issue, whether you want to blame him or not, because he is paid more than a million a year for this very reason. you don't make that cash to make some half assed excuse blaming players because they are HIS responsibility. i think why everyone is flaming you so hard is that you have listed out tons of reasons for how dooley has failed yet you refuse to place any blame on him. he created this dumpster fire, maybe indirectly but he is the leader thus the responsibility is his, if he is worth a shite at all then we will see him in 2013 because as i said, it isn't like knoxville is sitting around waiting on a BCS crystal anytime soon with the way things have transpired
ETA: the reason i just wrote a novel is i have been arguing these points for a while because i hold Mark Richt responsible for all that UGA does
idk why Coke would have such a situation but this is the same. Dooley is the CEO and UT is not only running in the red their players are bailing, his staff is bailing, the constituency is in uproar. what about that sounds successful for a guy in his 3rd year for you? i think when he came to UT everyone was willing to wait but he has actually had such a horrible product for 2 years that he is actually expedited the hot seat. with UT so far in the shitter it may make sense to say hell, let's hit the reset button once again and start over because it isn't like dooley has really gotten tenneessee in a position where they can fear falling further because UT is pretty damn far down.
this is a dooley issue, whether you want to blame him or not, because he is paid more than a million a year for this very reason. you don't make that cash to make some half assed excuse blaming players because they are HIS responsibility. i think why everyone is flaming you so hard is that you have listed out tons of reasons for how dooley has failed yet you refuse to place any blame on him. he created this dumpster fire, maybe indirectly but he is the leader thus the responsibility is his, if he is worth a shite at all then we will see him in 2013 because as i said, it isn't like knoxville is sitting around waiting on a BCS crystal anytime soon with the way things have transpired
ETA: the reason i just wrote a novel is i have been arguing these points for a while because i hold Mark Richt responsible for all that UGA does
This post was edited on 2/19/12 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:59 pm to busey
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One big thing UT has going against it, is that kids coming out of HS now do not remember Tee Martin or Petyon being at UT. And Tenn doesn't have elite talent growing up in TN wanting to play for the Vols.
It's one reason Bama and LSU have been able to overcome long periods of being shitty. They'll always have that built in recruiting base. TN...not so much. A long down period could be the end of UT ever getting more than 6-8 wins regularly.
Kids know Eric Berry tho. It is true about TN not having elite talent, but UT has still recruited at a high level, easily enough to compete in the SEC.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 6:05 pm to UTVols2618
Thing is, UTenn is not competing woth a flip
Posted on 2/19/12 at 6:05 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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this is a dooley issue, whether you want to blame him or not, because he is paid more than a million a year for this very reason. you don't make that cash to make some half assed excuse blaming players because they are HIS responsibility. i think why everyone is flaming you so hard is that you have listed out tons of reasons for how dooley has failed yet you refuse to place any blame on him. he created this dumpster fire, if he is worth a shite at all then we will see him in 2013 because as i said, it isn't like knoxville is sitting around waiting on a BCS crystal anytime soon with the way things have transpired
How have I not put blame on him? I said he should have sat Darick and Bray in the UK game. The thing is that most coaches don't do it because their job is on the line. Crowell was a big problem in the UGA locker room, but did Richt ever sit him out in a meaningful game? Its kind of funny how the disciplinary actions happen in the scrub non conference games.
It is a coach and a players issue. If you honestly think its all the coaches fault then you have never played sports. It is ultimately up to the players to try and they will tell you that themselves.
Dooley didn't create this dumpster fire at all. Kiffin and Fulmer did. There is a reason why we are going to have 19 starting seniors on senior day in 2 years.
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