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re: Why does Petrino seem to struggle on the recruiting trail?
Posted on 2/2/12 at 12:39 pm to Smoke Green
Posted on 2/2/12 at 12:39 pm to Smoke Green
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Why does Petrino seem to struggle on the recruiting trail?
from what Nutt left him personnel wise, he's doing fine.
this is his fifth year at Arkansas... it is time to let go of HDN as an issue for BP
By your second year at a school you should know what you are doing on the recruiting trail and start to pull in good classes.
I think BP tried to recruit too much in Florida (as HDN originally did as well btw) before recognizing how difficult that could be... now they seem to be more focused on a regional approach that makes sense for them
I think BP is a much better coach than he is a recruiter. Some of that is probably just charisma (or force of personality) which you probably either have or you don't have.
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 12:43 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
What are yall talking about? Recruiting rankings by websites or on field results of Petrino's players? On the field, Petrino took a team in the shitter left over by a decade of Nutt, and has increased the win total in each of the team's 4 seasons. You think he's doing that with just X's and O's? Outside of the games against top 5 teams where we've had trouble getting over that final hurdle, Arkansas has beat a handful of teams that had better recruiting in the previous years according to the websites, and have beat them pretty convincingly in some cases.
Websites are hit and miss; Petrino is a true professional evaluator earning his $3 million+ paycheck with the obvious positive results on the field.
Websites are hit and miss; Petrino is a true professional evaluator earning his $3 million+ paycheck with the obvious positive results on the field.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 12:44 pm to molsusports
How do you judge good classes?
Paper
or
Production
We recruit in the bottom quarter of the conference but win (recently) in the top 1/3
It is curious
Paper
or
Production
We recruit in the bottom quarter of the conference but win (recently) in the top 1/3
It is curious
Posted on 2/2/12 at 12:45 pm to molsusports
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this is his fifth year at Arkansas... it is time to let go of HDN as an issue for BP
never posted it was an issue, just pointed out from the squalid condition Houston Dale left the Arkansas program BP is doing fine.
i don't think many (excluding Arkansas fans) realize how far the talent level had sunk.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 12:46 pm to sugatowng
I'm always amazed by these threads.
The SAME PEOPLE who will say that Petrino's an overrated coach. The SAME PEOPLE who will say that Petrino's not as good of a coach as Saban, Miles, Chizik....these SAME PEOPLE say he's a bad recruiter.
Okay, then.
How is Arkansas so good? We must be getting lucky, only playing teams that are having bad days since we only have a decent coach who's a shitty recruiter.
The SAME PEOPLE who will say that Petrino's an overrated coach. The SAME PEOPLE who will say that Petrino's not as good of a coach as Saban, Miles, Chizik....these SAME PEOPLE say he's a bad recruiter.
Okay, then.
How is Arkansas so good? We must be getting lucky, only playing teams that are having bad days since we only have a decent coach who's a shitty recruiter.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 12:47 pm to oklahogjr
what exactly did his mom say?
Posted on 2/2/12 at 12:48 pm to mwlewis
Autistic IMO
Posted on 2/2/12 at 12:49 pm to LSUzealot
Posted on 2/2/12 at 12:50 pm to Jon Ham
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Outside of the games against top 5 teams where we've had trouble getting over that final hurdle,
Petrino never will get over that final hurdle unless his recruiting improves. No one is saying he isn't a good coach. Cause he is, but his recruiting isn't on the level of Bama, Florida, LSU, Auburn.
If Petrino wants to win the SEC, then he will most likely need to go 3-0 against LSU, Alabama, and Auburn. That will be difficult if he cannot keep up in recruiting.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 12:54 pm to Chimlim
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Petrino never will get over that final hurdle unless his recruiting improves. No one is saying he isn't a good coach. Cause he is, but his recruiting isn't on the level of Bama, Florida, LSU, Auburn.
Outside of picking up our university and setting inside the borders of Alabama, Florida, Louisiana, Georgia, or Texas...that's just not going to happen.
But that's fine. We're doing just fine without stellar classes according to Rivals.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 12:55 pm to ocelot4ark
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The SAME PEOPLE who will say that Petrino's an overrated coach. The SAME PEOPLE who will say that Petrino's not as good of a coach as Saban, Miles, Chizik....these SAME PEOPLE say he's a bad recruiter.
Okay, then.
How is Arkansas so good? We must be getting lucky, only playing teams that are having bad days since we only have a decent coach who's a shitty recruiter.
I don't see a lot of people arguing BP can't coach. And most seem to agree that he does a pretty good job of developing players on offense. You really don't luck into 10 plus win seasons in the SEC after you've been there a few years
The mood among Arkansas fans as much or more than other SEC fanbases seems to be he just hasn't been able to bring in recruiting classes with the same depth of quality as some other schools (esp on defense).
Posted on 2/2/12 at 12:58 pm to Rex Manning
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2008 ranked 36 average reranked at 6th
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Well sure the sites are far from perfect but there's good evidence out there that to win an NC you need to pull in top ten classes.
Check your math Rex: using the art of subtraction, we find that 6 is less than 10, so 6th is actually a top ten class.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 12:59 pm to molsusports
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i don't think many (excluding Arkansas fans) realize how far the talent level had sunk.
I would imagine the OM fans have a pretty good understanding. He basically quit doing his job for the last year or two.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 1:01 pm to molsusports
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The mood among Arkansas fans as much or more than other SEC fanbases seems to be he just hasn't been able to bring in recruiting classes with the same depth of quality as some other schools (esp on defense).
And that's surprising? Outside of the schools located in the fertile recruiting ground states, who has this depth?
It's geography. Arkansas will never pick and choose the 4/5 star guys that grew up Bama/Au/FL/UGA/LSU fans. Just not going to happen. We'll have to take the guys slightly below them. The 3/4 star guys that the big guys didn't have room for.
The downside is they're not as ready to contribute immediately. But after a RS year, I'd guess there's hardly any difference between a RS 3* who was rated a 5.7 and a true Fr 4* who was rated a 5.8. Obviously, no data to back that up. But it seems reasonable to me. And if Arkansas had that many 5.8's, Petrino's classes would be pretty highly rated.
It'd be different if we needed our 3/4*'s to come in right away. But we really don't. Sure, that may never be good enough to win the SEC. But are you guys forgetting what Arkansas is going up against? You. The best of the best. In the most fertile recruiting grounds imaginable. Meanwhile, our state produces 5 automatic qualifier BCS level players this year. 5.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 1:01 pm to PorkyPig
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I would imagine the OM fans have a pretty good understanding.
they can relate presently, for sure. freeze will be years digging out of that sh!tehole.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 1:05 pm to Chimlim
quote:They aren't that far behind of winning games.
Petrino never will get over that final hurdle unless his recruiting improves. No one is saying he isn't a good coach. Cause he is, but his recruiting isn't on the level of Bama, Florida, LSU, Auburn.
This post was edited on 2/2/12 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 2/2/12 at 1:06 pm to Rex Manning
Arkansas doesn't have very many top recruits.
Petrino's personality sucks.
These are two reasons.
Petrino's personality sucks.
These are two reasons.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 1:06 pm to Rex Manning
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I mean obviously he's a very good X's and O's coach. I would just think that a lot of top players would want to give Arkansas a look considering the last couple of seasons they have had yet they can't seem to lock down a top class. Arkansas is a fairly attractive school too so I just don't get it. Is his personality that bad?
1. He's an a-hole, seriously, he's an a-hole. He likes to be left alone, and coach football. If he isn't doing one of those, don't expect a nice attitude from him.
2. He's a dick, seriously, he's a complete dick.
You get the picture.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 1:08 pm to j1897
Another thing is poor old Arkansas is good at making duck hunters, and dumb rednecks. Not a very talent rich state to lock up 5 star recruits. We are constantly trying to get them elsewhere and battling with home schools.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 1:11 pm to oklahogjr
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I really think DGB stayed home because of his girlfriend anyways.
THIS NEVER HAPPENS! HE'S WANTED TO GO THERE FOR 2 YEARS NOW!!
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