re: Program with the better 5 year outlook....

Just because people on here believe something doesn't make it so. Petrino was succesful at Louisville because his teams were more talented than their opponents 90 or 95 percent of the time.

Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, and Ole Miss have more talent than Arkansas at the present time. Tennessee and Auburn will probably have more talent than Arkansas after their new coaching staffs have had two or three years to recruit.

It will be intersting to see if Petrino can win at Arkansas with inferior talent

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Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, and Ole Miss have more talent than Arkansas at the present time. Tennessee and Auburn will probably have more talent than Arkansas after their new coaching staffs have had two or three years to recruit.

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Once again, recruiting doesnt win games, the players and coaches on the field do. Did Ole Miss out-recruit Florida? Did Arkansas out-recruit LSU? Does Arkansas out-recruit Auburn?

The answer is no to all these questions, but the "lesser" team won because of coaching, team chemistry, etc..

Ole Miss has a winning record against Florida.


And 3 out of the last 4

Your point is that Oklahoma occasionally loses a few games that they should win. Who cares?

Oklahoma still wins more games and more championships than 99% of the other teams in college football

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Your point is that Oklahoma occasionally loses a few games that they should win. Who cares?

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Who cares? Obviously this is slipping past you.

Your whole argument is that teams with best recruiting (Oklahoma, Auburn) will always edge out lesser recruiting schools (Boise State, Arkansas)

If you can concede that Yes, good programs lose (more often than you probably think) to lesser programs, then you can concede that Auburn can lose to Arkansas. Shoot, we beat Auburn at Auburn last year in our worst SEC team since joining the SEC.

And if you can concede that Auburn can lose to Arkansas, then you can concede Arkansas can have the better 5 year outlook

I judge success by the total number of games a team wins and by the championships they win. A team like Boise Stae might occasionaly beat Oklahoma, but that one victory does not make them more successful than Oklahoma.

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We out recruit you EVER SINGLE YEAR even so far this year.

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And yet Arkansas has won 6 of the last eleven meetings between these two teams. We now have a real coach as opposed to a blithering idiot on our sidelines. Why is this so hard to understand?

Auburn now possibly has the one coach in the SEC with less ability than Nutt on your sideline. I understand homerism and all that prevents you from picking Arkansas in this little debate, but if anyone needs to get real here, it's you.

This is an entertaining thread that includes some very foolish arguments that Auburn will have a better program because…..a better recruiting base, blah, blah, blah, blah, they will have a better recruiting year, blah, blah, blah, blah….., Auburn has a better coaching staff, blah, blah, blah blah, and on and on.

I like Auburn and know Lee Ziemba and his parents personally and would like to see him do well. But don’t mistake Ziemba or Burns signing with Auburn as an indication that Auburn can come into Arkansas and cherry pick Arkansas recruits. I don’t care whether anybody believe this or not but in spite of the fact that Lee’s parents are Auburn grads, there was a very good chance he was going to sign with the Hogs until Nutt ran Malzahn off. Once that happened Arkansas was out of the running.

As far as Burns is concerned, Nutt never really recruited Burns which made a lot of Hog Fans very upset. Nutt also didn’t recruit Tyler Wilson (he had committed to Tulsa because of Malzahn) but when Petrino came aboard Wilson was the very first recruit he visited and quickly flipped him to the Hogs. Wilson is now our backup QB who is pushing for playing time and will be a very, very good QB at Arkansas. I think Auburn’s past “success” recruiting in Arkansas is an indictment on Nutt, not Auburn’s allure to Arkansas recruits.

Currently Auburn is in the running for Michael Dyer and it’s because of Gus Malzahn, not because he has some affinity with Auburn. I really like Gus and I think he will be a very good head coach somewhere soon so I don’t see him being at Auburn more than two years before he lands a decent head coaching job somewhere. Once Dyer realizes that the reason he is considering Auburn will likely be gone in two years, I believe better judgment will prevail and he will end up being a Hog. Time will tell.

As I said before I like Auburn and would like to see them do well. However, it is my opinion that Arkansas has much more potential than do the Tigers. Auburn will always play second fiddle to Alabama and will be like OSU to OU, Texas A & M to Texas, etc. Arkansas is the only game in town and is the state’s “professional team”. That’s and advantage that most teams don’t have. WRT likes to tout that Arkansas’ recruiting base is small so Arkansas can’t, blah, blah, blah, talk out my arse, blah, blah, blah, talk out Nutt’s arse, blah, blah, etc. It’s obvious that he/she hopes and prays that Petrino will not be successful at Arkansas in order to make Nutt somehow look better. After this year and for years to come WRT will slink into Nutt hole’s never to be heard from again once Petrino exposes Nutt for the incompetent that he is.

I think Auburn will surprise a team or two this year but it won’t be the Hogs. If Auburn Fans are really honest with themselves, which coach would you rather have, Chizik or Petrino? I think most reasonable fans know the answer and that will give you a very good indication which team will have a better run over the next few years.

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You have posted some very odd stats and opinions.

First, you keep posting recruiting rankings from Scout, not Rivals. Scout is almost completely ignored when it comes to football as their recruiting rankings have historically been wildly inaccurate and much different than those of Rivals. For instance, AU drops 5 or so spots in the 2009 Rivals rankings and Arkansas rises about the same, 5 spots, ahead of AU. If you want to talk basketball, refer to Scout. If we are talking football, do what 99.9% of the population does and go to Rivals.

Second, according to Forbes, Arkansas is the 14th most valuable football program in the nation while Auburn isn't even top 25.
On a financial note, Arkansas has a "modest" budget but has pockets we can dip into that Auburn will never ever match, unless you have a few billionaires laying around (See our facilities oppossed to yours).

Beyond that our coach is 4 times that of yours and you are on crack if you think your current talent level is on par with Arkansas. Our backfield is deeper and more accomplished, our QB is considered a future #1 draft pick (you don't have to like it for it to be true), our TE is an AA, our recievers will lead the league in yards, and on defense just added the #2 defensive class in the nation.

Get real. You are a solid poster and I like Auburn but you are dead wrong here.

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Woo is letting his mouth overload his arse again!

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Woo is letting his mouth overload his arse again!

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Quote me. Don't give me what you think you recall me saying. Provide me a link to what you are referring to, in context, or shut the f*ck up.

And before you go digging for a thread where I taunted LSU Baseball after an Arkansas win, make sure you also post the 100,000 threads where I praised LSU Baseball.

(I have a feeling your only option is to STFU)