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Posted on 6/17/09 at 5:30 am
Posted on 6/17/09 at 5:30 am
I know it is the opinion of the majority of posters that the spread offense is a gimmick.Most thought it would never work in against the fast SEC defenses. Well, Florida has won one NC running the spread in 08. I would say 06 was a variation of the spread. Now, a lot of people think that once Tebow is gone, it won't work. So my question is, when does the spread become a legit offense if ever?
This post was edited on 6/17/09 at 6:44 am
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Posted on 6/17/09 at 5:58 am to G8RnGA
It's not the spread that won't work.........Without Tebow and to an extent still at Florida there hasn't been a power running game since Fred Taylor.......
Most thought that Florida wouldn't succeed without this aspect in the SEC and really they wouldn't have until 4th and Tebow came along.......
We shall see how that fares without one of the toughest runners the SEC and CFB has every seen running the offense in years to come......
Until then enjoy the ride, Tebow only has 14 games left.
Most thought that Florida wouldn't succeed without this aspect in the SEC and really they wouldn't have until 4th and Tebow came along.......
We shall see how that fares without one of the toughest runners the SEC and CFB has every seen running the offense in years to come......
Until then enjoy the ride, Tebow only has 14 games left.
Posted on 6/17/09 at 6:36 am to L S Usetheforce
I think the real problem with spread offenses, in like the next 10 years will be, that guys may not want to go to schools that run it. It has been proven not to work in the league, and as much as people like you and me may say they are "student-athletes," we all know that Terrell Pryor and Tim Tebow are going to school as top prospects to get to the league.
I think this fad has led to schools that have great talent anyway kind of taking a semi easy-way out to win games. As a college fan, you love your team winning. Is it important to you that your offensive players make the league? probably not because you like college more than the pros.
I think this fad has led to schools that have great talent anyway kind of taking a semi easy-way out to win games. As a college fan, you love your team winning. Is it important to you that your offensive players make the league? probably not because you like college more than the pros.
Posted on 6/17/09 at 9:43 am to Buckeye06
The sread is already legitimate. Almost every team in the nation has incorperated at least a fraction of the spread in their playbooks. The NFL has started looking at it more. The Pats used a variation of it to win 18 games. The experts were wrong about it not working in the SEC period. We may not run the Tebow version of it after he's gone but the Brantley version and so on
Posted on 6/17/09 at 9:44 am to G8RnGA
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So my question is, when does the spread become a legit offense if ever?
When little league teams stop using it.
Posted on 6/17/09 at 9:48 am to G8RnGA
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I know it is the opinion of the majority of posters that the spread offense is a gimmick.Most thought it would never work in against the fast SEC defenses. Well, Florida has won one NC running the spread in 08. I would say 06 was a variation of the spread. Now, a lot of people think that once Tebow is gone, it won't work. So my question is, when does the spread become a legit offense if ever?
The point of the game is to score more points...I don't give a shite if we run fumbleruskie as long as we win
Posted on 6/17/09 at 9:55 am to G8RnGA
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I know it is the opinion of the majority of posters that the spread offense is a gimmick.Most thought it would never work in against the fast SEC defenses. Well, Florida has won one NC running the spread in 08. I would say 06 was a variation of the spread. Now, a lot of people think that once Tebow is gone, it won't work. So my question is, when does the spread become a legit offense if ever?
It's a legit offense now. Thing that bothers me most in college football today is the "line up, look to the sideline for the audible/adjustments" crap. I like QBs who line up and make their own decisions. But that's just a preference. Certainly many teams are successful doing it the other way.
Posted on 6/17/09 at 9:57 am to dawgorama
A spread offense will never work in the SEC
Signed
Frank Broyles
Signed
Frank Broyles
Posted on 6/17/09 at 10:10 am to dawgorama
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Thing that bothers me most in college football today is the "line up, look to the sideline for the audible/adjustments" crap.
I cannot stand the "meerkat" offense that people are using these days. It's straight bush league IMHO.
ETA: - (No pun intended)
This post was edited on 6/17/09 at 10:13 am
Posted on 6/17/09 at 10:48 am to Dribble
The Spread offense works in the SEC
It doesnt work in NFL.
It is up to top prospects to figure this out, and hedge their risk of never making it to the league. If they think they can make it either way, they go to these "gimmick" offenses. imo
It doesnt work in NFL.
It is up to top prospects to figure this out, and hedge their risk of never making it to the league. If they think they can make it either way, they go to these "gimmick" offenses. imo
Posted on 6/17/09 at 11:01 am to G8RnGA
A lot of what Florida does is in no way new. It incorporates elements of various offenses that have been successful for decades but with new wrinkles in some cases. The formations are often different in some cases, too, but the plays themselves are sometimes nearly identical to traditional plays.
I think a lot of people confuse (not saying you) the Spread Formation with the Spread Option Offense. They both intend to spread the defense out across the field, so schematically they have that in common, but the designs of the plays are often really dissimilar.
For an outstanding insight into Florida's offense, take a look at the info in the following. It's long as hell, but it's really interesting and well done.
LINK
I think a lot of people confuse (not saying you) the Spread Formation with the Spread Option Offense. They both intend to spread the defense out across the field, so schematically they have that in common, but the designs of the plays are often really dissimilar.
For an outstanding insight into Florida's offense, take a look at the info in the following. It's long as hell, but it's really interesting and well done.
LINK
Posted on 6/17/09 at 4:20 pm to Homespun
"I think this fad has led to schools that have great talent anyway kind of taking a semi easy-way out to win games."
OSU I am not quite sure how this would be taking the easy way out. The point of the game is to win. That is kind of like saying we can use a calculator to figure out a complex math problem, but that is the easy way out. We should just use pencil and paper like our forefathers did and never progress.
OSU I am not quite sure how this would be taking the easy way out. The point of the game is to win. That is kind of like saying we can use a calculator to figure out a complex math problem, but that is the easy way out. We should just use pencil and paper like our forefathers did and never progress.
Posted on 6/17/09 at 4:30 pm to Dribble
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the "meerkat" offense
Posted on 6/17/09 at 4:33 pm to G8RnGA
I think the problem with the spread in the SEC is you have to have a talented tough quarterback to run it. The reason it will never be used in the NFL is because no one wants to see there talented franchise quarterback get hurt running the ball.
It works better in college because..
A) The quarterback doesn't have to be an NFL quality passer because he's not going up against NFL quality defenses.
B) It's not as huge of a deal if your starting quarterback gets hurt because you've only invested four years in him in college, where as the pros, your investing a decade in him.
Guys that are as tough as a runner as Tebow is and talented enough as a QB as Tebow is don't come along that often. Sooner or later your gonna get a QB hurt running the spread the way Florida does.
And although Bama hasn't played Florida that often, I think what hurt us more than the spread when playing Florida and Utah was the hurry up offense.
It works better in college because..
A) The quarterback doesn't have to be an NFL quality passer because he's not going up against NFL quality defenses.
B) It's not as huge of a deal if your starting quarterback gets hurt because you've only invested four years in him in college, where as the pros, your investing a decade in him.
Guys that are as tough as a runner as Tebow is and talented enough as a QB as Tebow is don't come along that often. Sooner or later your gonna get a QB hurt running the spread the way Florida does.
And although Bama hasn't played Florida that often, I think what hurt us more than the spread when playing Florida and Utah was the hurry up offense.
Posted on 6/17/09 at 4:33 pm to G8RnGA
I think the problem with the spread in the SEC is you have to have a talented tough quarterback to run it. The reason it will never be used in the NFL is because no one wants to see there talented franchise quarterback get hurt running the ball.
It works better in college because..
A) The quarterback doesn't have to be an NFL quality passer because he's not going up against NFL quality defenses.
B) It's not as huge of a deal if your starting quarterback gets hurt because you've only invested four years in him in college, where as the pros, your investing a decade in him.
Guys that are as tough as a runner as Tebow is and talented enough as a QB as Tebow is don't come along that often. Sooner or later your gonna get a QB hurt running the spread the way Florida does.
And although Bama hasn't played Florida that often, I think what hurt us more than the spread when playing Florida and Utah was the hurry up offense.
It works better in college because..
A) The quarterback doesn't have to be an NFL quality passer because he's not going up against NFL quality defenses.
B) It's not as huge of a deal if your starting quarterback gets hurt because you've only invested four years in him in college, where as the pros, your investing a decade in him.
Guys that are as tough as a runner as Tebow is and talented enough as a QB as Tebow is don't come along that often. Sooner or later your gonna get a QB hurt running the spread the way Florida does.
And although Bama hasn't played Florida that often, I think what hurt us more than the spread when playing Florida and Utah was the hurry up offense.
Posted on 6/17/09 at 4:51 pm to NATidefan
The real problem is at the QB position IMO.
The greatest spread QBs IMO ever in college were Michael Vick and Vince Young, both .500 guys at best, and not close to as effective as people envisioned them to be.
And I agree with the gator who says the point is to win games; no argument. But isn't the point to win games and develop players for their futures? I know a lot of people may not see what I'm saying, but everything changes when a guy goes from shotgun to under center. The entire line changes the way they block; the RBs change how they get their handoffs etc.
Can the Florida Gator OL block as well if their QB is under center, or does having Tebow with 5-7 yards of space help them look better?
That's really my point
The greatest spread QBs IMO ever in college were Michael Vick and Vince Young, both .500 guys at best, and not close to as effective as people envisioned them to be.
And I agree with the gator who says the point is to win games; no argument. But isn't the point to win games and develop players for their futures? I know a lot of people may not see what I'm saying, but everything changes when a guy goes from shotgun to under center. The entire line changes the way they block; the RBs change how they get their handoffs etc.
Can the Florida Gator OL block as well if their QB is under center, or does having Tebow with 5-7 yards of space help them look better?
That's really my point
Posted on 6/17/09 at 4:51 pm to G8RnGA
Defenses always adjust to the offenses. IMO, the spread in the 00's is similar to what the Fun-n-Gun was in the 90's. Both were fun offenses and put up loads of points, but I think the defenses have almost caught up to the spread as we know it...and the successful offense-minded coaches are already starting to adapt as well.
Example: Urban has Tebow lining up over center now. I wonder why...?
Example: Urban has Tebow lining up over center now. I wonder why...?
Posted on 6/17/09 at 7:20 pm to G8RnGA
These guys are correct. It's hard to utilize a power-run game out of it unless you are setting up your QB for alot of hard hits. If you watch the entire Florida vs Ole Miss game this year it's pretty easy to see why FL lost.
Posted on 6/17/09 at 7:44 pm to AmosBallentine
Fumbled snaps deep on our side of the field???
Posted on 6/17/09 at 7:48 pm to AmosBallentine
a botched FG?
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