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UGA v. Bama H2H, a corollary
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:33 am
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:33 am
This one is for the many trigger-happy Bama fans:
Let’s assume Texas beats UGA. Not a coin-flip, and not a beat down. Just, you know, wins the game.
Does the CFP Committee put UGA behind Bama in the rankings? Behind Ole Miss??
You’re lying to yourself if you actually think they would. Thus, H2H is not a definitive criteria for “better than” or “best”
Let’s assume Texas beats UGA. Not a coin-flip, and not a beat down. Just, you know, wins the game.
Does the CFP Committee put UGA behind Bama in the rankings? Behind Ole Miss??
You’re lying to yourself if you actually think they would. Thus, H2H is not a definitive criteria for “better than” or “best”
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 10:33 am
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Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:39 am to Demosthenian
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Thus, H2H is not a definitive criteria for “better than” or “best”
It suuuure was the flavor of the town when comparing us and Texas last year
If you want to say that South Carolina should be in because they are a hot team with good wins and comparatively better losses, I respect your opinion. But don’t come on here and act like H2H and strength of schedule aren’t big factors when comparing teams with the same record
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 10:45 am
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:39 am to Demosthenian
UGA when they found out Bama might be in the CFP:
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:40 am to Demosthenian
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Does the CFP Committee put UGA behind Bama in the rankings? Behind Ole Miss??
You’re lying to yourself if you actually think they would. Thus, H2H is not a definitive criteria for “better than” or “best”
10-3 > 9-3 so H2H wouldn't come into play
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:44 am to Demosthenian
No. Despite a H2H victory by Bama, Georgia has the 34rd toughest schedule in the country. The only one in shouting distance in that regard is Alabama.
Georgia would have better wins and better losses.
The exact same criteria used to put Bama over Miami, Ole Miss and South Carolina.
Georgia would have better wins and better losses.
The exact same criteria used to put Bama over Miami, Ole Miss and South Carolina.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:46 am to Demosthenian
The committee is not applying H2H when it comes to Alabama because USC is not directly behind Alabama. They are multiple spots below Alabama.
If there is a H2H being taken into account in the rankings it's between Ole Miss and USC.
USC is just a quality win for Alabama.
Georgia fans being scared is funny.
If there is a H2H being taken into account in the rankings it's between Ole Miss and USC.
USC is just a quality win for Alabama.
Georgia fans being scared is funny.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 11:23 am
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:59 am to Demosthenian
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Let’s assume Texas beats UGA. Not a coin-flip, and not a beat down. Just, you know, wins the game.
Does the CFP Committee put UGA behind Bama in the rankings? Behind Ole Miss??
No, because they lost a championship game which the committee has made clear will not be treated the same way as just losing a regular season game, meaning in reality they'd view Georgia as having 2.5 losses at most. On top of that they'd have 10 wins as opposed to 9 against a slightly better schedule. The will also still be ahead of Alabama in Strength of Record metrics. H2H won't come into play because they won't be viewed as "the same" simply because they both have 3 losses. They won't get to that level of the step by step process.
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You’re lying to yourself if you actually think they would. Thus, H2H is not a definitive criteria for “better than” or “best”
Alternatively, Alabama was ahead of South Carolina in Strength of Record metrics. I'm not even sure head to head came into account, but if they viewed Alabama and Carolina as even across the board, H2H would enter the discussion. If they viewed Alabama and Georgia's resumes as the same, H2H would enter the discussion.
Some of yall's obsession (other non-involved fanbases) that the majority of people around the country and even within the 3 teams agree was very close and not a slam dunk either way is strange.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 11:03 am
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:04 am to SummerOfGeorge
10-3 not equal to 9-3 no H2H tiebreaker
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:12 am to Demosthenian
Just face the fact that bama is the brand in college football. They want bama in for that reason and will make their facts fit what they want. Money talks and everything else walks.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:18 am to Demosthenian
I hope they do not because i don't want to play @ Ohio State. I'd rather play at Penn State or Notre Dame.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 11:19 am
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:20 am to TheTideMustRoll
Extremely accurate
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:23 am to Demosthenian
Melt day 5
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:24 am to Bamadog75
Nobody cares. Hell, I'd settle for having all 12 teams meet in one stadium for a cage match. Give all players a participation trophy and just let the SEC Rant postulate - for years - about who should be the #1 team.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:29 am to llfshoals
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Georgia would have better wins and better losses.
we had better wins and better losses than ole miss when both teams were 8-2 but we were still ranked behind them.
The committee is dumb .
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:31 am to Demosthenian
Also, for the record. If Georgia loses and Alabama and Georgia end up ranked next to each other, Alabama will be ahead of Georgia because of the H2H.
So if they are both ranked say 10 and 11, it's going to be #10 Alabama and #11 Georgia. It won't be the other way around.
However, it could easily be #9 Georgia and #11 Alabama. H2H is not going to factor in. Georgia will just be a quality win for Alabama. There are other factors that will have come into play before this, such as an extra win and losing to Texas would NOT be seen as a low quality loss. Georgia might not move much at all since they are already ranked #5 and Texas was ranked above them.
Do you guys really think they only look at the 1 factor because that is what they mention? That's just silly. You are looking at these things in a H2H manner only because you aren't ranking teams, you are just trying to compare 2 teams at a time.
Doing a good job of proving the notion that the saying ignorance is bliss isn't really true, because Georgia fans seem mad and scared today on some ignorant shite.
So if they are both ranked say 10 and 11, it's going to be #10 Alabama and #11 Georgia. It won't be the other way around.
However, it could easily be #9 Georgia and #11 Alabama. H2H is not going to factor in. Georgia will just be a quality win for Alabama. There are other factors that will have come into play before this, such as an extra win and losing to Texas would NOT be seen as a low quality loss. Georgia might not move much at all since they are already ranked #5 and Texas was ranked above them.
Do you guys really think they only look at the 1 factor because that is what they mention? That's just silly. You are looking at these things in a H2H manner only because you aren't ranking teams, you are just trying to compare 2 teams at a time.
Doing a good job of proving the notion that the saying ignorance is bliss isn't really true, because Georgia fans seem mad and scared today on some ignorant shite.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:51 am to Demosthenian
Thanks, guys. There are some really excellent arguments presented here.
And they very succinctly explain why South Carolina should not be behind Bama in the rankings, as the situation is the same.
And they very succinctly explain why South Carolina should not be behind Bama in the rankings, as the situation is the same.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:56 am to Demosthenian
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And they very succinctly explain why South Carolina should not be behind Bama in the rankings, as the situation is the same.
Looking forward to your third thread in 4 hours about the exact same topic.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:07 pm to Demosthenian
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And they very succinctly explain why South Carolina should not be behind Bama in the rankings, as the situation is the same.
South Carolina is slightly ahead in a few (quality of loss, road performance, recency), even in some (overall record, SEC record) and behind Alabama in most data points (Quality of wins, Home Record, Strength of Record, FPI, SP+, FEI, etc) before the head to head even comes in to play.
What are you talking about?
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:11 pm to Demosthenian
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Thanks, guys. There are some really excellent arguments presented here.
And they very succinctly explain why South Carolina should not be behind Bama in the rankings, as the situation is the same.
Except you fail to name a metric they are ranked ahead of Alabama in.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:20 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:Yes, no argument on that point.
The committee is dumb .
I’d have had both Ole Miss and South Carolina ahead of Miami too. Thats the only head scratcher for me in the top 15.
I don’t think Indiana belongs, but given they are a 1 loss team in a season with darn few of them it’s hard to keep them out.
If I was picking the teams Indiana would be no better than 15th
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