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One doctor's audit of vaccine vs none outcomes

Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:47 pm
Posted by Whiznot
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Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:49 pm to
One of my grandsons is 5 years old and has never said a word in his life.

I wonder about these things.

Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 1:37 pm to
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I wonder about these things

I don't subscribe to very much that I haven't researched on my own, and thus I won't bore you with my personal thoughts on this topic (because I haven't done so), but in case you want to go down this path, the Robert Kennedy interview by Joe Rogan is a must-listen, for many reasons:
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.: So in 2005, I was representing a bunch of Water Keepers all over the United States and in the provinces of Canada suing coal burning power plants and cement kilns for discharging mercury. Two years before 2003, the National Academy of Sciences and the FDA had published a report, like a five-year study, that showed that every freshwater fish in America had dangerous levels of mercury in its flesh. The CDC simultaneously published a study that showed that one out of every six American women had levels high enough in her core blood, or that her child would have some kind of intellectual deficiency like lost IQ, etc.

So I was also pushing legislation about mercury, lobbying the EPA to reduce it. And I was giving lectures all over the place. So these women start showing up at every lecture that I give – public lectures, and they would come and sit in the front seat, occupy the front.

They'd come early, occupy the front row, and then afterwards they'd stay late, and they would ask to talk to me. As it turns out, they were all the mothers of intellectually disabled children. And they believed that their children had been injured by vaccines, by mercury in the vaccines. So they would say to me in kind of a respectful but vaguely scolding way, "If you're really interested in mercury contamination exposures to children, you need to look at the vaccines." Now, this is something I didn't want to do, because I, you know, I... first of all, I'm not a public health person. I wanted to do environmental stuff. Second of all, I'd been involved since I was a little kid in the whole area of intellectual disabilities. My family, it was part of the DNA of my family. My aunt had been intellectually disabled, my Aunt Rosemary. My aunt Eunice Shriver, who was my godmother, founded Special Olympics in 1969. But before it was called Special Olympics, it was called Camp Shriver. She lived 10 minutes from my house.

So my family was deeply involved, but it was not what I wanted to do with my life. But these women kept continually, I want to say, harassing me, but they were following me. And it was different ones at every speech. And one of them got – I was like, you know, I did enough research to show that the public health authorities were saying that these women were crazy, but they didn't look crazy to me. And they were rational. They weren't excitable, and they had done their research. And I was like, I should be listening to these people, even if they're wrong. Somebody needs to listen to them. [...] that was just part of the background of my, you know, little bit of skepticism about government scientists that they're not always right, that sometimes you have to listen to people; and that human experience is valid, and that if a woman, if a woman tells you something about her child, you need, you should listen.

And so then one of these women found my home in Hyannis Port at a little bungalow. She came to it. She took out of the trunk of her car a pile of scientific studies that was 18-inches thick. She put it on my front porch, my stoop, and then she rang the bell; and then she pointed to that pile, and she said, "I'm not leaving here till you read those." And as it turns out, her son had been a perfectly healthy kid, got a battery of vaccines when he was two, and lost the ability to speak. And got an autism diagnosis. And the vaccine court had awarded her $20 million for acknowledging that the child had gotten autism from the vaccines, and she didn't want it to happen to other kids.

And so I started, I sat down while she was there, and I read through the abstracts of these studies, one after the other, and before I was six-inches down in that pile, I recognized that there was this huge delta between what the public health agencies were saying were telling us about vaccine safety and what the actual peer-reviewed, published science was saying. Then I took the next step, which is I started calling people, high level public officials, and I had access to everyone.


Apple Podcasts

Transcript (Kennedy | MAHA)
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 1:51 pm to
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I don't subscribe to very much that I haven't researched on my own, and thus I won't bore you with my personal thoughts on this topic (because I haven't done so), but in case you want to go down this path, the Robert Kennedy interview by Joe Rogan is a must-listen, for many reasons:


Yeah I don't know what to think.

My hang up is - I'm pretty sure it's not genetic. There is no history of such thing in any of the families. So it seems likely some kind of other cause, especially given he is among a growing statistic. The growing part I think is significant, because it likely rules out some kind of natural mutation or something.

But I had lots of vaccines as a kid. I got a visa when I was 5, tons of shots. Then also in the military, tons of shots. Never heard of this really at all. My kids all got shots, nothing. All my other grand kids I assume have gotten shots just like him as well.

What really got my attention about this possibility was the covid shot and how all of that was handled. I saw the way people were silenced and then you look at the increase in all the vaccinations given to babies at birth, and I think it's something that warrants investigation. I put nothing past these people anymore and do not believe they care about people.

I also don't want to be one of those stupid people who just assumes every conspiracy is right. So I hope RFK makes a dent in this area, even if for no other reason than to rule vaccines out as the cause.
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 1:58 pm to
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I got a visa when I was 5

I would have loved to have my own credit card at that age.
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 2:05 pm to
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I would have loved to have my own credit card at that age.


Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 2:06 pm to
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I hope RFK makes a dent in this area, even if for no other reason than to rule vaccines out as the cause.

That's sort of where he goes with it, and later points out almost exactly what you're saying — that in our generation, we hardly ever saw many of these issues, and then suddenly there was an explosion in many significant health concerns than can be traced to beginning within a very narrow timeframe.

He doesn't blame it on vaccines per se, but points out that there is clearly a relationship between something, maybe even an unknown combination of things, that needs to be investigated further. But that data has to be made available before it can be studied.

I think one thing we can all agree on is the need to remove the influence the pharmaceutical industry has on lobbying the federal government, sponsoring our news, and supporting the content we see through advertising, because it greatly affects our ability to openly conduct this type of research or even openly discuss the need for it.
Posted by Lexag
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 2:06 pm to
Trying really hard to decide if I want to get into this conversation or not…
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 2:10 pm to
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Trying really hard to decide if I want to get into this conversation

Posted by Lexag
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 2:18 pm to
I’m a super antivaxxer. I know most of you were waiting to find out what’s the weird thing about me. That’s one of them. It’s not a “conspiracy” if there’s proof. This isn’t like,”hur de dur Bigfoot”, facts don’t care about your opinion or what you think is an easier pill to swallow.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 2:19 pm
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 2:35 pm to
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I’m a super antivaxxer. I know most of you were waiting to find out what’s the weird thing about me. That’s one of them. It’s not a “conspiracy” if there’s proof. This isn’t like,”hur de dur Bigfoot”, facts don’t care about your opinion or what you think is an easier pill to swallow.


In what way?

Natural immunity is a real thing, and you can get immunity from things on less serious diseases. Like cowpox vs smallpox.

The last time I got sick was about a week or so before covid was supposed to be here. I either got covid then, or the strain of covid I got then gave me immunity to the lab version.

When I was a kid, we had chickenpox parties. If someone would get the chickenpox, people in the family would bring their kids who hadn't gotten it, so they could get it. Because the younger you are the better you are able to deal with them. And then you have immunity.

But when you start getting to like the covid shots. There was no way I was taking those. Those are not vaccines.

I've seen ads to get a shingles vaccine, and I'm kind of like nah.

So my thinking it is it's likely to do with newer ones if they are the issue.

One thing that makes it difficult is they give them to when they are babies, so it's kind of difficult to really know if they were born this way or to identify the stimuli. It's not like my grandson just stopped talking one day, he just never started. Do they really need them all as babies?
Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 2:41 pm to
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ne thing that makes it difficult is they give them to when they are babies, so it's kind of difficult to really know if they were born this way or to identify the stimuli. It's not like my grandson just stopped talking one day, he just never started. Do they really need them all as babies?


Both of our kids have all the "necessary" shots, but we spread them out. The pediatrician acted like we were dumb, but there's no reason to give a newborn all those vaccines at once.
Posted by Lexag
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 2:46 pm to
They do nothing for babies other than make it a norm. Research indicates that a baby's passive immunity lasts for around six months. So at the earliest that’s when the first vaccines should be given. By 6 months they have had at least 9. That’s wild.
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 3:09 pm to
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Both of our kids have all the "necessary" shots, but we spread them out. The pediatrician acted like we were dumb, but there's no reason to give a newborn all those vaccines at once.


The way they try to give kids the covid shot was really bad.

Their mortality rate was extremely low and near 0, it's only here because of emergency clearance and fast tracks, no way for long term clinical trials on a platform that has never passed such trials, and yet they keep recommending this "vaccine" that is 100% not needed for children.

You can't do that and then expect me to believe you aren't doing it for reasons other than money - and that's me giving the best case scenario for motive.

Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 3:37 pm to
yep. We didn't get the Covid shot.
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 3:52 pm to
RAW MILK MAKES THE BONES GROW GOOD
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Posted on 12/4/24 at 5:24 am to
Thank goodness we all got vaccinated as kids to live long enough to have this debate as adults
Posted by Whiznot
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Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:01 pm to
When I was a kid I was vaccinated. The schedule then was 8 doses. Today the schedule is 72 doses. The number of doses exploded right after 1986 when Reagan signed the law that immunized pharma from childhood vaccine harms. As doses increased the autism rate soared.
Posted by FootballFrenzy
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:22 am to
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easier pill to swallow.

As a pharmacy student, I can say that we absolutely need vaccines, but at the same time, there is risk involved and I believe that they can cause problems like ADHD or maybe even autism.

That being said, until we come up with a better solution, it's a necessary evil.
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:46 am to
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Thank goodness we all got vaccinated as kids to live long enough to have this debate as adults


You mean thank goodness we didn't get as many vaccines as kids today so that we can properly form the words needed to express ourselves?

I really don't know if vaccines are the cause. But I know I don't trust them just because the government says so. And frick you and frick anyone else who does.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 11:47 am
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