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Ole Miss vs Bama common opponents and losses
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:20 pm
Alabama vs Ole Miss
Common opponents
UGA - Alabama 41-34, Ole Miss 28-10. Advantage: strong to Ole Miss.
USC - Alabama 27-25, Ole Miss 27-3 @. Advantage: Strong to Ole Miss.
Oklahoma- Alabama LOSS (24-3) , Ole miss 26-14. Advantage: very strong to Ole Miss.
LSU - Alabama 42-12 @, Ole Miss LOSS (29-26 OT) @. Advantage: Strong to Alabama.
Common Opponents overall - both teams are 3-1, but Ole Miss had much more impressive wins over UGA and USC. Alabama’s only real advantage here was their win over LSU…and that’s negated by Bama’s much uglier loss to Oklahoma.
Worst loss -
Alabama @ Oklahoma (6-6) 24-3. Ole Miss home vs Kentucky (4-8). Advantage : slight to Alabama.***
Other losses -
Alabama @ Vandy (6-6). Ole Miss @ Florida (7-5). Advantage: slight to Ole Miss
Alabama @ # 7 Tennessee (10-2). Ole Miss at LSU (8-4). Advantage: Bama.
Losses overall: I’m going to say that losing to Kentucky at home is even worse than losing at Oklahoma by three scores***, and say this category slightly favors Bama.
TL/DR -
At the end of the day, both Alabama and Ole Miss are flawed teams. Both have reasons for making the playoffs - and I think the biggest argument to include each team is wins over ranked UGA and South Carolina. Ole Miss was much more impressive in both.
I’d also argue that Bama’s THREE TOUCHDOWN LOSS in the SECOND TO LAST WEEK of the season to a 6-6 Oklahoma team should be a “knockout loss”.
Common opponents
UGA - Alabama 41-34, Ole Miss 28-10. Advantage: strong to Ole Miss.
USC - Alabama 27-25, Ole Miss 27-3 @. Advantage: Strong to Ole Miss.
Oklahoma- Alabama LOSS (24-3) , Ole miss 26-14. Advantage: very strong to Ole Miss.
LSU - Alabama 42-12 @, Ole Miss LOSS (29-26 OT) @. Advantage: Strong to Alabama.
Common Opponents overall - both teams are 3-1, but Ole Miss had much more impressive wins over UGA and USC. Alabama’s only real advantage here was their win over LSU…and that’s negated by Bama’s much uglier loss to Oklahoma.
Worst loss -
Alabama @ Oklahoma (6-6) 24-3. Ole Miss home vs Kentucky (4-8). Advantage : slight to Alabama.***
Other losses -
Alabama @ Vandy (6-6). Ole Miss @ Florida (7-5). Advantage: slight to Ole Miss
Alabama @ # 7 Tennessee (10-2). Ole Miss at LSU (8-4). Advantage: Bama.
Losses overall: I’m going to say that losing to Kentucky at home is even worse than losing at Oklahoma by three scores***, and say this category slightly favors Bama.
TL/DR -
At the end of the day, both Alabama and Ole Miss are flawed teams. Both have reasons for making the playoffs - and I think the biggest argument to include each team is wins over ranked UGA and South Carolina. Ole Miss was much more impressive in both.
I’d also argue that Bama’s THREE TOUCHDOWN LOSS in the SECOND TO LAST WEEK of the season to a 6-6 Oklahoma team should be a “knockout loss”.
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:23 pm to lsusa
It’s crazy to me how anybody can look at Alabama and think they are deserving of a playoff spot
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:24 pm to lsusa
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I’d also argue that Bama’s THREE TOUCHDOWN LOSS in the SECOND TO LAST WEEK of the season to a 6-6 Oklahoma team should be a “knockout loss”
With proper officiating that’d only be a two touchdown loss, but I know that’s a sensitive topic for LSU and South Carolina fans.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:30 pm to lsusa
Alabama also played what will be a Top 20 Missouri team this week and beat them by 34 points. Seems like a relevant data point that isn't mentioned here.
Alabama will have 4 Top 30 wins by an average of 18 pts
vs #7 Georgia by 7
vs #15 South Carolina by 2
vs #21 Missouri by 34
@ #25-30 LSU by 29
Ole Miss will have 2 Top 30 wins by an average of 21 pts
vs #7 Georgia by 18
@ #15 South Carolina by 24
Ole Miss' 3rd best win is a 6-6 team.
Ole Miss lost to 4-8 Kentucky at home, 7-5 Florida on the road and 8-4 LSU on the road.
Alabama lost to 6-6 Oklahoma on the road, 6-6 Vanderbilt on the road and 10-2 Tennessee on the road.
Alabama will have 4 Top 30 wins by an average of 18 pts
vs #7 Georgia by 7
vs #15 South Carolina by 2
vs #21 Missouri by 34
@ #25-30 LSU by 29
Ole Miss will have 2 Top 30 wins by an average of 21 pts
vs #7 Georgia by 18
@ #15 South Carolina by 24
Ole Miss' 3rd best win is a 6-6 team.
Ole Miss lost to 4-8 Kentucky at home, 7-5 Florida on the road and 8-4 LSU on the road.
Alabama lost to 6-6 Oklahoma on the road, 6-6 Vanderbilt on the road and 10-2 Tennessee on the road.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:34 pm to lsusa
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Alabama @ Oklahoma (6-6) 24-3. Ole Miss home vs Kentucky (4-8).
Of the 4 "bubble teams" mentioned in posts across TD today...only one has lost to a team with a sub .500 record (at home, no less).
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Losses overall: I’m going to say that losing to Kentucky at home is even worse than losing at Oklahoma by three scores***, and say this category slightly favors Bama.
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I’d also argue that Bama’s THREE TOUCHDOWN LOSS in the SECOND TO LAST WEEK of the season to a 6-6 Oklahoma team should be a “knockout loss”.
So...if "losing to Kentucky at home is even worse than what should be a "knockout loss"...then, logically, it should be a knockout loss as well.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:41 pm to lsusa
By God, I think you've done it.
Finally, a thread that will convince ESPN to go for the option they make less money with.
Finally, a thread that will convince ESPN to go for the option they make less money with.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:45 pm to lsusa
The committee will pick the team that either has the fewest losses or brings in the most money, which is what Disney wants. That’s either (SMU with a loss or Miami with SMU win) or Alabama. My guess is that they will go with the money grab.
I’ll be shocked if Alabama isn’t picked because we’ve seen that before.
I’ll be shocked if Alabama isn’t picked because we’ve seen that before.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:46 pm to lsusa
Brand Bias
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:46 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Alabama also played what will be a Top 20 Missouri team this week and beat them by 34 points. Seems like a relevant data point that isn't mentioned here.
It’s certainly not irrelevant - but I don’t think it’s anywhere near as valid a factor as the four common opponents.
FWIW, I also question Mizzou’s ranking. They also lost by 31 to TAMU, and I’d argue their “best wins” were over Arkansas, Vandy and Oklahoma.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:46 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Ole Miss lost to 4-8 Kentucky at home, 7-5 Florida on the road and 8-4 LSU on the road.
Alabama lost to 6-6 Oklahoma on the road, 6-6 Vanderbilt on the road and 10-2 Tennessee on the road.
Here is another way to look at it. The combined records of the teams each team lost to.
Ole Miss: 19-17
Alabama: 22-14
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:48 pm to SquarePizzaRebel
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Brand Bias
Every computer ranking resumes has Alabama ahead of Ole Miss. They see Alabama as a 0 and Ole Miss as a 1.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:52 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Alabama got the brakes beat off of them by a 6-6 team last week. Like beat so bad they didn't even deserve to be on the same field.
What are we even evaluating at this point
What are we even evaluating at this point
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:54 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Seems like a relevant data point that isn't mentioned here.
Any data point that does not immediately work in favor of OP's biases is considered irrelevant.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:56 pm to HYDRebs
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Alabama got the brakes beat off of them by a 6-6 team last week. Like beat so bad they didn't even deserve to be on the same field.
What are we even evaluating at this point
Ole Miss lost at home to a team that went 0-8 against all other P4 teams they played. Ole Miss was their only P4 win of the entire season and they did it in Oxford. What are we even evaluating at this point.
Again, all 3 have flaws. Acting like one is clearly better than the others makes you look like a doofus.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:56 pm to lsusa
No LSU fan should be talking about knockout losses at the end of the season. LSU 2007 was by far the weakest of all the SEC NC teams losing to both mediocre Kentucky and Arkansas teams, one of which late in the season.
I don’t care if Kentucky had Andre Woodson, that was still pre-Stoops Kentucky.
I don’t care if Kentucky had Andre Woodson, that was still pre-Stoops Kentucky.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:05 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I mean, putting any team that has lost by 20+ points in a season in the playoffs would mean they have just expanded the CFP by entirely too much.
Getting beat by three plus scores means you are getting boat-raced
Getting beat by three plus scores means you are getting boat-raced
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:11 pm to HYDRebs
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I mean, putting any team that has lost by 20+ points in a season in the playoffs would mean they have just expanded the CFP by entirely too much.
Getting beat by three plus scores means you are getting boat-raced
I mean, teams that lost a home game to a 4-8 team that didn't beat a single other P4 team the entire season generally don't have any shot to make the playoff either.
12 teams means the last couple spots are going to be between teams that have some serious flaws in their resume.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:21 pm to lsusa
Neither of them deserve to get in with 3 losses. Its pretty much that simple.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:28 pm to Ancient Astronaut
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It’s crazy to me how anybody can look at Alabama and think they are deserving of a playoff spot
In Alabama’s defense, they have wins over top ten UGA and top 15 USC. They also have dominant wins over LSU and Mizzou, which I believe are both Top 30 teams.
But I think the absolute, incontrovertible factor that should preclude Alabama from getting into the playoffs is the 21-point week 14 loss to 6-6 Oklahoma.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:30 pm to HYDRebs
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I mean, putting any team that has lost by 20+ points in a season in the playoffs would mean they have just expanded the CFP by entirely too much.
So you're saying they should set it back to two teams?
Because in 2017 the national champion runner-up got into the 4-team playoffs with a 23 point loss.
In 2020 a team got in with a 24 point loss.
In 2021 the national champion got in with a 17 point loss.
In 2022 the national champion runner-up got in with a 22 point loss.
In the past 7 years, 3 teams got to the playoffs with 20+ point losses; two of which made it to the title game. 4 times a team lost by at least 3 scores.
Are you SURE about your argument?
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