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re: If DeBoer went nuclear on this team to change the culture now, would you support it?
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:39 pm to CrimsonTider98
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:39 pm to CrimsonTider98
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This comparison is embarrassing cope. Did Saban inherit 27 5 star recruits? There’s a good chance this is the most talented roster CKD ever coaches and the team looks terrible. What reason is there to believe it will get better in the future when DeBoer gets “his guys” in?
Saban couldn't win a title with them either.
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 2:41 pm
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:42 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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Saban couldn't win a title either them either.
Saban won the SEC with them last year. I’m not expecting national titles, but I’m sure as heck expecting a lot more than the slop DeBoer has put out on the field the last three weeks.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:42 pm to CrimsonTider98
The theory would be that he would have a higher rate of success dealing with players that he believes he could work well with. As opposed to players he didn't have much of a say in choosing.
If you were going to run a business would you rather inherit the employees or have interviews and a make hires yourself?
If you were going to run a business would you rather inherit the employees or have interviews and a make hires yourself?
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:43 pm to CrimsonTider98
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Is this supposed to be an excuse for DeBoer? If Milroe isn’t getting the job done (he isn’t) play another QB.
Yeah because that worked out so beautifully when Saban tried it.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:45 pm to CrimsonTider98
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I don’t understand why so many people blame the players for the culture. These are 18-22 year olds making a lot of money and being told how great they are. It’s the coach’s job to instill discipline in these guys. CKD is the problem with the team’s culture. This is a soft, undisciplined football team because that’s the culture CKD created here. CKD is the one who created the culture problem within this program.
He created the same toxic culture that plagued Saban's last few seasons?
Amazing he had so much influence over the Tide program when he was at Washington...
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:46 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
Here’s the bottom line: CKD won big in the PAC-12 with a bunch of under-valued players and transfers. These guys naturally had a chip on their shoulder because they weren’t highly touted their entire careers. It was much easier to be a “players coach” with those players than it is with these players.
The type of players CKD is coaching and recruiting now present an entirely different set of challenges. These are extremely talented players who need discipline, toughness, and humility instilled in them in a way CKD’s players in Seattle didn’t. Can CKD meet those challenges? The answer will define his tenure here but the early returns are bleak.
The type of players CKD is coaching and recruiting now present an entirely different set of challenges. These are extremely talented players who need discipline, toughness, and humility instilled in them in a way CKD’s players in Seattle didn’t. Can CKD meet those challenges? The answer will define his tenure here but the early returns are bleak.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:49 pm to CrimsonTider98
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This comparison is embarrassing cope. Did Saban inherit 27 5 star recruits? There’s a good chance this is the most talented roster CKD ever coaches and the team looks terrible.
You mean 27 five star recruits that needed a miracle to beat a dog shite Auburn team last year? 27 five star recruits that blew a 24-6 lead against a 4 win Arkansas team? 27 five star recruits that nearly lost to an abysmal South Florida team?
Yeah, how DARE Debeor not take those same players and win 56-0 every goddamn week.
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What reason is there to believe it will get better in the future when DeBoer gets “his guys” in?
What don't you ask Sark, who inherited three consecutive top 3 recruiting classes and went 5-7 with a laughably easy schedule at Texas. Tell me how he's done since....
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:51 pm to PuertoRicanBlaze
Texas’ 2021 class was ranked 15th. Texas’ 2020 class was ranked 9th according to 247.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:52 pm to CrimsonTider98
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Here’s the bottom line: CKD won big in the PAC-12 with a bunch of under-valued players and transfers. These guys naturally had a chip on their shoulder because they weren’t highly touted their entire careers. It was much easier to be a “players coach” with those players than it is with these players.
Okay. Now you'll have to explain why he had success at every other stop as well.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:56 pm to CrimsonTider98
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Texas’ 2021 class was ranked 15th. Texas’ 2020 class was ranked 9th according to 247.
Correct. My bad, I said three top 3 classes. He inherited three consecutive top 10 classes, two of which were top 3 from 2018-2020.
Sorry, fam. Got my facts wrong. But still, with that schedule, Sark had no business losing 7 games.
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 10/23/24 at 2:57 pm to PuertoRicanBlaze
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Okay. Now you'll have to explain why he had success at every other stop as well.
Because he’s an excellent football coach. Nobody doubts that. We doubt his ability to translate that success at a place like Alabama, where being a good football coach is not enough to win. You can’t approach this job the same way you approach an FCS job or even a job like Washington. It’s an entirely different animal.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 3:01 pm to CrimsonTider98
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the slop DeBoer has put out on the field
See, I think it's a culture problem that predates DeBoer.
It's like asking Tiger Woods to win a tour championship with somebody else's clubs. Can he win a tournament or 3? Sure. Is he going to win the FedEx cup? frick no.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 3:26 pm to Ten Bears
I would support it, even if he sent all the upperclassmen packing. I’d rather watch a group of Freshmen take it on the chin and grow together than what we have seen these last several weeks.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 3:45 pm to _Hurricane_
U bet
6-6 is good with me. Fact is do you care if were 8-4 or 6-6? Play in a low bowl and give next year's crew work. Just like they did in 2007.
6-6 is good with me. Fact is do you care if were 8-4 or 6-6? Play in a low bowl and give next year's crew work. Just like they did in 2007.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 4:15 pm to _Hurricane_
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If DeBoer went nuclear on this team to change the culture now, would you support it?
Ultimately, the fans only support winning. The methods are irrelevant. If he loses at an unsatisfactory rate, it won’t matter if he is Junction era Bryant as far as discipline goes. And if he wins at a satisfactory rate, it won’t matter if he has an ice cream truck come to practice for 30 minutes every day.
The bottom line is all that matters.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 4:35 pm to _Hurricane_
Posted on 10/24/24 at 4:29 am to CrimsonTider98
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CKD is the one who created the culture problem within this program
There have been cultural issues within the program for years. You have a short memory if you think any of the things we're talking about haven't been going on since at least 2022. Saban himself talked about the cultural issues openly.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 6:23 am to InkStainedWretch
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You didn't include the rest of my post or the context.
I didn't post the rest of your statement because I totally, completely,. unequivocally disagree with you
He absolutely needs to go nuclear - he needs to show himself a man - he needs to go nuclear on staff, on the team, on the mangers, on the secretary. The guy who washes his car needs to understand who the boss is.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 8:20 am to CrimsonTider98
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CKD is the problem with the team’s culture.
So basically you are saying that players that were "discipline" under Saban have reverted to being undisciplined because they werent nannied correctly? Sounds more that you are a soft man who is lashing out because his favorite team lost and his ego was bruised. You apply absolutely zero logic to your criticisms.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 8:33 am to Hback
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I’m guessing this would never happen today …
Namath and Bryant
Joe Namath aint walking through that tunnel. Lets say that a new coach did stuff like this in the free agency version of CFB, players would leave, might go to the media about how the coach is violent.
If Deboer was this kind of coach...and had run off players from the get go, like Bryant did at A&M and Bama, the SAME EXACT fans who are irate now, would be irate in that scenario.
As HC of Bama, you ignore the fans because they are irrational. They were irrational in 1990 when Stallings said "if you start listening to fans, youll become one of them" and they are 10x more irrational now after 6 NCs and almost 16 straight 0-2 loss seasons.
In every profession, you have to be practical. Being an idealist gets you fired. Sometimes a tightrope of tact is required. Sometimes you must use some trial and error to adapt to a new situation. By all means, yall(in general not necessarily guy im responding to) nitpickers rage and complain if it makes you feel better, though.
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