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re: Anyone else think Beck is going to get it together the rest of the season?
Posted on 10/24/24 at 6:07 pm to GurleyGirl
Posted on 10/24/24 at 6:07 pm to GurleyGirl
On that point, what does our season look like if we didn't lose Colbie Young and RaRa Thomas to off-field issues? What if Rod Rob and Branson Rob haven't been hurt? I think we recruited just fine for this season, but the frick-You fairy was sent by the football God's to toy with our emotions.
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 6:47 pm to muttenstein
I don't know. He's got happy feet and isn't getting his weight behind his throws as often as he did last season. He seems to be throwing off his back foot quite often this season, even when not pressured.
This COULD be due to a lack of confidence in his receivers or the lack of separation. I think it's more likely his mechanics have just been a fricking mess this season. Gotta remember, it's not just UGA wins on his mind, he's vying for NFL draft position as a 2nd year starter. That's a TON of pressure on this kid and may be leading some indecisiveness in games. I'd be willing to bet he looks amazing in practices.
This COULD be due to a lack of confidence in his receivers or the lack of separation. I think it's more likely his mechanics have just been a fricking mess this season. Gotta remember, it's not just UGA wins on his mind, he's vying for NFL draft position as a 2nd year starter. That's a TON of pressure on this kid and may be leading some indecisiveness in games. I'd be willing to bet he looks amazing in practices.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 9:21 pm to GurleyGirl
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So, he was accurate when the guys ran good routes?
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Beck was able to throw to Bowers in tight windows
So, he was accurate when the guys ran good routes?
Posted on 10/24/24 at 9:24 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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I don't know. He's got happy feet and isn't getting his weight behind his throws as often as he did last season. He seems to be throwing off his back foot quite often this season, even when not pressured.
He throws off his back foot when pressured or when he makes a fast second read to the right from what I see. He is good at resetting his feet but sometimes that is how you are coached to do it.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 10:50 pm to Peter Buck
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Here are some things to keep in mind when watching football.
So what do you think happened on the infamous INT vs Texas? Bad route, bad pass, poor timing?
Posted on 10/25/24 at 7:07 am to djsdawg
Instead of turning for a back shoulder reception Smith tried to push off the defender. The defender held his ground and prevented Smith from turning and caught the ball. All the blame is on Smith.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 7:40 am to Whiznot
I agree that Smith likely ran a bad route.
Based on where Beck threw the pass it looked like it should have been down and out to the sideline.
But Smith was well covered and Smith was not even looking for the ball when the pass was released so from an objective perspective, the pass should have never been thrown.
And I get that some pass plays call for throwing to a spot.
The obvious problem with those plays is the route can easily be disrupted and you end up throwing to a defender instead of your receiver which is exactly what happened with that pass to Smith.
Considering the number of turnovers we have had so far this season, if I'm Beck's QB coach, I tell him to only throw right to the body of open receivers who are looking for the pass.
And if he can't find an open receiver down-field, throw an outlet to a RB or TE (and there should always be a short outlet), run the ball if there is an opening or dump the ball out of bounds over the receiver's head.
And finally, too often I have seen Beck throw high and hard or behind his receivers on short passes.
And yea, the receiver might be able to get his hands on the ball but these type of inaccurate passes are much more likely to be intercepted.
When your receivers are struggling, throw the dang ball right to the chest of the receiver aka make it easy for them to make a catch.
Based on where Beck threw the pass it looked like it should have been down and out to the sideline.
But Smith was well covered and Smith was not even looking for the ball when the pass was released so from an objective perspective, the pass should have never been thrown.
And I get that some pass plays call for throwing to a spot.
The obvious problem with those plays is the route can easily be disrupted and you end up throwing to a defender instead of your receiver which is exactly what happened with that pass to Smith.
Considering the number of turnovers we have had so far this season, if I'm Beck's QB coach, I tell him to only throw right to the body of open receivers who are looking for the pass.
And if he can't find an open receiver down-field, throw an outlet to a RB or TE (and there should always be a short outlet), run the ball if there is an opening or dump the ball out of bounds over the receiver's head.
And finally, too often I have seen Beck throw high and hard or behind his receivers on short passes.
And yea, the receiver might be able to get his hands on the ball but these type of inaccurate passes are much more likely to be intercepted.
When your receivers are struggling, throw the dang ball right to the chest of the receiver aka make it easy for them to make a catch.
This post was edited on 10/25/24 at 7:44 am
Posted on 10/25/24 at 7:46 am to GurleyGirl
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When your receivers are struggling, throw the dang ball right to the chest of the receiver aka make it easy for them to make a catch.
Unfortunately, I don't have 100% confidence that a single receiver will make the completion, even in that situation.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 9:28 am to GurleyGirl
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Based on where Beck threw the pass it looked like it should have been down and out to the sideline.
But Smith was well covered and Smith was not even looking for the ball when the pass was released so from an objective perspective, the pass should have never been thrown
It was not a down and out route. It appeared to be more in the curl/stop family of routes.
On this particular type of route, if the defender is down field of the receiver, and backing up, it is not considered “covered “
Why?
Let me explain again.
Smith runs fast… defender backs up to keep up with him if he can. Smith knows when he is gonna stop. The defender doesn’t. Smith is running so fast he is about to make contact with DB. This is usually fine as the defender is backing up and down field of the receiver.
This is when Beck lets it go. The receiver is almost never fully turned around and looking for a throw on this type route. Because if it takes that long for the QB to throw it, the defense has time to react.
What should have happened was 11 gets off the contact and turn back expecting the ball.If He does that…. it hits him in the face and he is between the defender and the ball. Happens every game at every level.
GG, I believe you sincerely think you kinda understand football, but you need to reconsider your limitations. You are entitled to an opinion, even if it is not based in fact. You clearly don’t understand the deeper intricacies of football. Make it a point to learn more instead of making comments based on assumptions, etc.
Let’s make the world a better place. If this isn’t clear to you, please ask me a question and I can clarify anything I didn’t convey clearly to you.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 10:19 am to Peter Buck
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He throws off his back foot when pressured or when he makes a fast second read to the right from what I see. He is good at resetting his feet but sometimes that is how you are coached to do it.
If it's an intentional change from last season and considered part of his development, it's not having the intended effect, imo. I get what you're saying and, yes, throwing accurately and with solid velocity on backfoot throws is certainly a necessary trait for NFL QBs to possess. To my eyes, he's struggling with accuracy and going backfoot when it's simply not necessary, which is a departure from last season when he was an incredibly accurate, front foot passer in clean-ish pockets.
Just an observation of the mechanical side of things. Again, I think a lot of this is just mental. Indecisiveness can cause all kinds of mechanical problems.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 10:30 am to mmmmmbeeer
He has missed some throws and has made wrong reads. He is not perfect. He has room for improvement. I will never argue he hasn’t. My overall point is people are making blanket statements and taking bad/uneducated takes as well nitpicking shite every QB is going to face. Like I said before, the offense on most plays is being put in a spot to win the play. They, as a unit, need to execute better. Beck can take us as far as the team can take us.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 11:46 am to muttenstein
Beck needs a rhythm. To say it's all about receivers wouldn't tell the story. They're running incorrect routes and dropping balls, yes, but he's been way off on a lot of his throws.
That said, we should be looking for a regression to the mean. Both Beck and the receivers have been on the low end of their capability for most of the season, and things tend to even out over time. Expect them all to play better moving forward, and with the D playing like they are, it'll be like strapping a rocketship to their backs.
That said, we should be looking for a regression to the mean. Both Beck and the receivers have been on the low end of their capability for most of the season, and things tend to even out over time. Expect them all to play better moving forward, and with the D playing like they are, it'll be like strapping a rocketship to their backs.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 12:16 pm to chillmonster
The coaches are going to ask the offense to take less chances when the Defense is doing their thing. They are ok flipping the field with our punter in a lot of scenarios. Grinding first downs and wearing out the opposing defenses is a core Kirby value. The last game was kind of an anomaly as I feel like we took a few more chances early, but some of that was dictated on what the UT defense was doing. Also need to give credit to the UT defense. They made some plays. Still, we were up big at half, lost the momentum and then made a drive that well could become legend to take the momentum back. That drive doesn’t show in the stats how important it was and how resilient the offense was when they needed to get it done.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 12:39 pm to Peter Buck
I posted this elsewhere but I'll repost it here-
Stats from cfbstats dot com
Beck has played three top ten teams on the road this season so far.
Among SEC QB's, his stats are:
#3 in yards per game
#6 in yards per attempt
#4 in completion percentage
#6 in QB rating
There's 16 starting QB's in the SEC.
Stats from cfbstats dot com
Beck has played three top ten teams on the road this season so far.
Among SEC QB's, his stats are:
#3 in yards per game
#6 in yards per attempt
#4 in completion percentage
#6 in QB rating
There's 16 starting QB's in the SEC.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 12:43 pm to deeprig9
Damn I just read this from an SC fan, don't know if accurate, but interesting:
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Beck's 66% completion rate in 2024 is better than any of the 4 seasons Payton Manning had a Tennessee -
Beck has only thrown 14 interceptions combined in his JR & SR seasons (21 games so far) - Payton Manning threw 23 combined JR/SR years (23 games) -
Posted on 10/25/24 at 12:48 pm to deeprig9
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Damn I just read this from an SC fan, don't know if accurate, but interesting:
Guys, Beck isn't playing well so far. We all watch the games. He knows it. Kirby knows it. We know it.
He's got to improve, and I believe he will.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 4:51 pm to deeprig9
The SC guy was right on all of it. Peyton's full Vol record is above.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 5:04 pm to Whiznot
I'm ready to forgive you for your past sins Whiznot. You have been a great poster the last few years. Thanks for fact checking that and validating the stat.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 5:15 pm to deeprig9
Chic-Fil-A still sucks.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 5:24 pm to Whiznot
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Chic-Fil-A still sucks.
Don't undo all the good will you've built up.
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