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re: Statement about the reversal

Posted on 10/20/24 at 1:53 pm to
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 10/20/24 at 1:53 pm to
The voice of experience…
Posted by 49 to nada
In aggy and gooner heads, rent free
Member since Sep 2023
3455 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 1:55 pm to
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I'm glad they reversed it, no excuses from Texas now.
No rational, non troll Texas fan would use that as a legit excuse.

It was simply a bad call from the beginning and even worse call to overturn it. Of course none of that helped our O-line keep Quinn and Arch clean in the pocket, that's where we lost the game. (and our backup punter not being very good didn't help either)
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
35266 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 1:56 pm to
quote:

o, it is your opinion that the call was changed because the students threw water bottles onto the field?


Zero chance the call is reversed without the bottles delaying the next play.
Posted by Aguga
Southeast
Member since Aug 2021
2538 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:18 pm to
quote:

So, it is your opinion that the call was changed because the students threw water bottles onto the field?


It’s a fact.
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
Bay Area, CA
Member since Apr 2004
31238 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:28 pm to
They’re basically defending the decision to overturn a non-reviewable call after the chains were moved and only after the crowd intervened
Posted by HTX_Bengal
Member since Apr 2022
92 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:31 pm to
All the time? Even AFTER they officially announce it and the ball is put in play? I’ve never seen that before.

Exactly. Of course I’ve seen refs pick up flags. We’ve all seen much worse PI calls that we all had to to choke down. I’m not super old, but I’ve never seen the call be made/the team get ready to snap the ball/the refs stop play for non football reasons/and the play just being reversed.

I admittedly do not like Texas and am happy that they lost. But this should get us all upset. It was reminiscent of the Horns time in the B12 where they were handed wins.

Bad precedent.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
22915 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:32 pm to
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What you are not getting is that once they make the official call on a non reviewable penalty they can not reverse it.
can you cite the rule that says this? I assume that until the next play is run, they can change the call. Of course, it looks bad for the refs to do this...

There needs to be a way to review PI calls...maybe on some limited basis...
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
60230 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:34 pm to
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Zero chance the call is reversed without the bottles delaying the next play.

I agree.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
37226 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:36 pm to
quote:

can you cite the rule that says this?


Agreed

quote:

I assume that until the next play is run, they can change the call.


On PI?

I have never seen that happen before, so I would never have assumed that it was even possible.

quote:

There needs to be a way to review PI calls...maybe on some limited basis...


Agreed.

I like the challenge flag.

Use it wisely, or lose a timeout.

You can challenge ANY call until you run out of timeouts.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
60230 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:37 pm to
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It’s a fact.


Facts can usually be proven. The referee's said the ref that made the call said he made a bad call. I do not believe they changed the call to appease the fans throwing water bottles, though. If it is a fact, as you assert, then the SEC office will have no option but to get rid of the referee crew.

You might think that is the reason. But I would be shocked if a group of referees changed a call because they were afraid of the student section.
Posted by Aguga
Southeast
Member since Aug 2021
2538 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:39 pm to
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There needs to be a way to review PI calls...maybe on some limited basis


I know you remember the NFL trying this BS.

Also it was charging at a minimum. The defender jumped in front of the receiver and didn’t set his feet.
Posted by Aguga
Southeast
Member since Aug 2021
2538 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:40 pm to
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Facts can usually be proven. The referee's said the ref that made the call said he made a bad call.


OJ said he didn’t kill Nicole.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
60230 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:49 pm to
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OJ said he didn’t kill Nicole.


And most said he did. Not sure what your point is? Is it that some people lie and some people tell the truth? That is something we can agree on. But, you said it was a fact. So, I guess the burden of proof is on you. Prove it.

Look. I don't like the reversal. But I don't like it because of the optics. The timing of the reversal. had they reversed it on the spot I would have said, "Yep. The reversal was correct and it should have been reversed."

But you can't complain about officiating, then argue for a bad call to stand.
Posted by Whentheleveebreaks
Member since Aug 2020
2030 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:07 pm to
That reversal is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Now students are going to think let’s throw crap and maybe they will reverse the call. Of course this BS helps Texas out. Shocking
Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
51489 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:08 pm to
quote:

Texas intercepted a pass at the Texas 46-yard line and returned it to the Texas 9 yard line.


Posted by ColoradoElkHerd
USA
Member since May 2014
3047 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:18 pm to
Head Ref needs to be fired. SEC Office needs to put some teeth into penalties for throwing shite. Started with bottles, what's next?

This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 3:26 pm
Posted by OlGrandad
Member since Oct 2009
3748 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 4:27 pm to
Did not read all the responses but I get the impression this "huddle" by the refs was done immediately per the statement issued.


Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
60230 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 4:28 pm to
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On PI?

I have never seen that happen before, so I would never have assumed that it was even possible.



It happens from time to time. Not often because of the optics. I would prefer they get the call right, than to let bad calls stand. It was the amount of time that passed and reversing the call after all the water bottles were thrown that was the problem for me. They reversed the call, and in my mind got the right call. They should have huddled up and discussed and changed the call before announcing, but they didn't. Then when the water bottles were thrown they discussed and changed the call. Very poor optics that leads to many calling foul.

When all is said and done, though, they got the call corrected.
Posted by WestSideTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
3962 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 4:44 pm to
My Zapruder Film-like Analysis of the Reviewed Unreviewable Reversed Unreversable Call

The Skycast broadcast gives a better view (with no commentary) of what’s occurring with refs and who did what and when. First indication of a flag is the ESPN graphic as the play is happening. Ball snapped at 3:12, intercepted at 3:08. Flag graphic 3:03. Player down and clock stopped at 3:00. Ref announces “Pass interference, number 7. The ball will be placed at the spot of the foul with an automatic first down.”

You don’t see the flag getting thrown. Later you see an official guarding the flag near where the play happened but he is not the one who threw it. It was the field judge (the black guy). Official guarding the flag picks it up and hands it back to the field judge who tucks it back in and then gets back in position on the sideline while Sark is giving him the business. (Important to note here the field judge is readying for the next play and gives no indication that he might have thrown the flag by mistake.)

First beer can is thrown followed by many more. Officials call for stoppage and Sark heads to that corner of the endzone to thank the fans and to let them know they can stop now because the refs have been sufficiently intimidated. (No doubt the game would have continued as called if not for field debris and the stoppage. Anything else at that point would have been as awkward as hearing a ref announce “Ladies and gentlemen, we fricked this up”)

Just as Sark is returning to the sideline the referee announces “please reset the game clock to 2:48 please, 2:43, 2:48, 2:48 on the game clock.”(None of the times are even right, refs clearly mixed up, should be either 3:00 if the play happened or 3:12 if it didn’t, instead he’s calling for 12 secs to be taken off the end of the play?)

Field judge is backing into position on the sideline and Skycam is completely focused on Sark having a relatively calm and short discussion (maybe 5 secs) with the field judge (the one who threw the flag) where he nods in accordance with whatever Sark just said and heads to the middle of the field to talk to the other officials. Less than a minute later referee announces “After discussion there was no defensive pass interference, the ball will be placed on the 9 yard line, first down.” Just after the ball is re-spotted he announces “please set the game clock to 3 minutes please, 3 minutes. Play resumes and Longhorns still lose.

TLDR: Field judge who threw the flag asked the referee to reverse the unreversable call based on something that took Sark no more than 5 seconds to say.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
115219 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 4:47 pm to
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When all is said and done, though, they got the call corrected.


So you want every play to be reviewable?
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