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The diff between Bama and UGA

Posted on 10/1/24 at 10:12 am
Posted by Sandwich
Georgia
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Posted on 10/1/24 at 10:12 am
IT always been at QB and WR

Even when we beat bama for title, They were missing there top WRs.

I feel like the defense has been a toss up and the oline and RBs have been similar....but man QB and WR they have been substantially better

Going back to Jalen Hurts, Tua, Young, and now Milroe.

Bama has better QB's than UGA and imo is the reason we continue to lose to them. Not sure if its scheme, DT vs Pocket Passer, QB development...etc

IMO if we are gonna stay with the NFL Pocket passer type, then we have got to have better receivers.

Also, is our evaluation of QBs bad? Becks good, but going back to Fields, Eason, Vandergriff, etc Our "future stars" have mostly been misses. Hell the most decorated QB in UGA recent history was a dual threat from JuCo with a drinking problem lol (no disrespect to Bennet as he is my boy, but you get the point)

What say you all?

Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88097 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 10:17 am to
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Also, is our evaluation of QBs bad? Becks good, but going back to Fields, Eason, Vandergriff, etc Our "future stars" have mostly been misses.


I don' agree with this at all.

Fields- he got mopup duty as a TFr behind a proven upperclassman starter then pouted and left before the season even ended
Eason- promising TFr season transitioning from lily white washington ball tot the SEC. Injured in the 1st quarter of first game of Soph. season then transferred
Vandagriff- Sat behind better QBs then transferred to a lesser school where he was guaranteed to start

I don' tknow how in the world you can call those "misses". Every single one of them transferred to a place where they would immediatley start whihc they weren't going to do at UGA.

Posted by PCDAWG
panama city
Member since Sep 2021
71 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 10:28 am to
We are in a transition to a new College football model. No one knows the final results, when money is involved. Could be the golden rule, the ones with the gold make the rules and get the best players. Lot to be determined over next few years. Hope they don't ruin the sport, but it's for sure not an amateur sport anymore.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88097 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 10:39 am to
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We are in a transition to a new College football model. No one knows the final results, when money is involved.


that's another thing that sucks arse about modern CFB. Kirby and staff are excellent developers of talent but that only matters if they stick around to be developed. A guy like Ellis Robinson for instance, 5-10 years ago that's a guy that would sit on the bench this year, play admirably next year, then be an all american and high draft pick as a junior. Nowadays some school is probably going to offer him like $700K to come start for them by pointing out he didn't even see the field at UGA. Then he'll be considered a "recruiting miss".
Posted by K9
wayx....BOBO IN '19 &lt-- oops
Member since Sep 2012
26130 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 11:50 am to
I think WR difference is the more prominent issue. Bama was winning titles with Jake Coker at QB but they had aliens at WR.

Young, Tua, and Hurts all great QBs but we haven't had a true difference maker like that Williams kid (or D. Smith, or J. Williams, A. Cooper, C. Ridley, etc) since AJ.

Those guys are true difference makers and we need to treat them like a 5* DL when it comes to recruiting going forward.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
18591 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 11:54 am to
Well, there was Pickens
Posted by Sandwich
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
5899 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 12:51 pm to
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I don' tknow how in the world you can call those "misses".


They didnt play a meaningful snap at uga.

Highly touted out of high school and were supposed to be the future at QB. 5-4* type guys

Surpassed by perceived lower level guys ie.. Fromm and Bennett

Never succeeded where they went either.

also, how many starting QB's does UGA have in the League? I believe its 1 and he graduates 20 years ago.

Im sorry but we arent in the same level with Bama for QB recruitment or Development.
Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
Member since Aug 2023
4697 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 1:10 pm to
Negative recruiting at the wide receiver position is starting to catch up with us. We've only had one wide receiver finish in the top 10 in the SEC in YPG in Kirby's tenure and none in the top 50 nationally..

Part of it is how we have 2 tight ends on the field more than just about anybody in the country. Part of it is how we insist on rotating receivers in and out more than just about anybody in the country, and part of it is how we've signed 5 WRs out of the portal in the last 2 years.

Wide receivers want to be the man or want to one day see themselves as being the man. At Georgia, there is no the man.
This post was edited on 10/1/24 at 1:11 pm
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
5578 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 1:11 pm to
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Surpassed by perceived lower level guys ie.. Fromm and Bennett

Never succeeded where they went either.

also, how many starting QB's does UGA have in the League? I believe its 1 and he graduates 20 years ago.

Im sorry but we arent in the same level with Bama for QB recruitment or Development.


Fields was an All-American at OSU, and he's starting in the league right now.

UGA has developed very well at the QB position. Beck, and Bennett are great examples. They've recruited well. Fields is a great example of that, however it turned out in the end.

The difference Saturday was Bama's guy used his superpower in the first half and our guy didn't. Bama's offense was about 4-5 (mostly) single read pass plays and a pretty standard zone read run game. They made plays. We missed tackles. We didn't adjust quickly enough.

Beck is supposed to be the guy who can make the right decision and the accurate pass. He was doing neither in the first half.

1. Their guy was ready at the start. Ours wasn't.
2. Our D was made more mistakes in one half than they have in the last calendar year.
.3. We were late on adjustments. Second half adjustments should have been second quarter adjustments.

That's the story of the game.
This post was edited on 10/1/24 at 1:13 pm
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
46436 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

The diff between Bama and UGA


Explosive play ability on offense
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88097 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 1:54 pm to
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They didnt play a meaningful snap at uga.


whihc has zero to do with "missing" on our recruiting evals. They left for other opporutnities. A miss is someone like brice ramsey, blake barnes, christian lemay, etc that ended up jsut sucking at playin football.

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Highly touted out of high school and were supposed to be the future at QB. 5-4* type guys

Surpassed by perceived lower level guys ie.. Fromm and Bennett


I mean...logically woulnd't that point to our expertise and advanced skills in recruiting instead of the opposite? What does it say about our evals that lower ranked guys are given the keys over the more highly rated?

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Never succeeded where they went either.


Fields most certanly succeeded. BVG is a day 1 starter in his new gig and just beat a top 10 team on the road. Eason only played in 1 non-UGA season and threw for over 3K yards with 23 TD: 8INT, I'd call that pretty damn solid.

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how many starting QB's does UGA have in the League?


absolutely meaningless to the discussion

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Im sorry but we arent in the same level with Bama for QB recruitment or Development.


I never claimed that we were, so now you're making a different argument entirely. My first post to you which led to this string was you saying that we are poor at HS QB evaluations and have missed in that area which simply isn't true.

I'd also like to know more about the "development" of bama's QBs that you're touting. They've certainly been better than ours but that's jsut because...well, they'r ebetter. So they run laps around us with QB recruitment. But development?

-Tua was elite from the get go, there wasn't really much to "develop"
-Hurts never progressed as a passer and in fact you could argue got worse during his time at bama. Benched at halftime of maybe the biggest game of his career there. Now, when he went elsewhere to a school and coach known for passing he improved immediatley by leaps and bounds and shockingly turned into a competent NFL passer. But that was due to OU, not bama
-mac jones was great and did seem like he was very well developed, no argument there. Worth noting that he hung around until he was a senior, which none of the guys in your UGA examples even came close to.
-Bryce young, like tua, was elite from the day he stepped on campus. Has been one of the biggest NFL flops of the 21st century thus far

Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
66564 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 2:35 pm to
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Bama was winning titles with Jake Coker at QB but they had aliens at WR.

I don't understand why we miss out on the Luther Burdens of the world at WR. Is it our running scheme?
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88097 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 2:37 pm to
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I don't understand why we miss out on the Luther Burdens of the world at WR


money

The answer to pretty much any similar question post ~2021 is almost always going to be money.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
66564 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 2:37 pm to
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Second half adjustments should have been second quarter adjustments.

In a world with sideline/box-to-helmet comms, iPad video reviews on the sideline and DCs who make more than our previous Head Coach, there's ZERO excuse for having to get to the half to make meaningful adjustments on either side of the ball.
Posted by Sandwich
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
5899 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 2:59 pm to
Okay so to sum up your thoughts, our qb recruitment and development has been as good or better than Alabama's and it has nothing to do with the reason we lose so often to them? I just want to make sure I understand your argument here. The whole purpose of the post was to say that the quarterback difference between our two teams is one of, if not the biggest reason why we lose the bama consistently. I also believe wide receiver recruiting is also the better at Alabama.

So you stand by the ideology that fromm...Bennett...and now beck are all on the same level with Tua....young...and the jalens?
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88097 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:03 pm to
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Okay so to sum up your thoughts, our qb recruitment and development has been as good or better than Alabama's


geez man, go read my post again and give it another shot.

quote:

I just want to make sure I understand your argument here


you aren't even close to understanding it apparently.


I'll just make it easy on you. Here is a direct copy and paste from a post like 3 posts up, so shouldn't be hard to find:

quote:


YOU: Im sorry but we arent in the same level with Bama for QB recruitment or Development.


ME: I never claimed that we were, so now you're making a different argument entirely. My first post to you which led to this string was you saying that we are poor at HS QB evaluations and have missed in that area which simply isn't true.
This post was edited on 10/1/24 at 3:05 pm
Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
1747 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:35 pm to
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So you stand by the ideology that fromm...Bennett...and now beck are all on the same level with Tua....young...and the jalens?


Maybe not Fromm (even though he got drafted) but I think Bennett & Beck would look noticeably better throwing to Jeudy, Metchie, J. Williams, D. Smith etc.

None of the Kirby era QBs have been as bad as Joe Cox, Hutson Mason, Greyson Lambert, Joe Tereshinki III etc.
Posted by K9
wayx....BOBO IN '19 &lt-- oops
Member since Sep 2012
26130 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:52 pm to
He was from Mizzou and they were able to pay him in high school or something weird like that.

But the negative recruiting aspect is real, too. It's like us and DL recruits. Yeah you can go to Florida State and get NIL money, but they won't develop you or let you produce in college and your draft status will tank. Getting drafted 1st vs 2nd round is big money difference.

So that is what these other teams are saying to the WRs. Yeah you can get NIL money, but you won't get drafted in 1st round at UGA.

Unfortunately, Dom Lovett is a good example. He transfers in and his production has gone down since his freshman year at Mizzou. Him getting drafted in the 1st round would be huge for us, but not trending well again this year.


I've said it before but we turn 1st round WR talent into Second round draft picks.
Posted by Sandwich
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
5899 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 4:19 pm to
As long as you agree we aren't on the same level as bama is as far as QBs go, then we have no argument

And that + wr recruiting is the major reason we are 1-7 against them
Posted by FlexDawg
Member since Jan 2018
13811 posts
Posted on 10/1/24 at 5:19 pm to
I wouldn’t recruit a QB that isn’t dual threat. They open up the passing game.
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