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Posted on 9/8/24 at 12:50 am
Posted by SPennington
Birmingham
Member since Oct 2015
142 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 12:50 am
Nick Sheridan.

2020/2021 Indiana OC & QB coach.

That's the only play calling experience he has.

I wonder what type of influence DeBoer has over the headset with play calling?

I’m not trying to say I know more than our current staff, because I don’t, but I’m having a hard time understanding some of the play calls tonight. Some of it is on Jalen, but some of it seemed out of place.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
8790 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 12:58 am to
We haven't played the OL we camped with the entire season and had two different starting lineups in as many weeks. If this shite is still a hot mess once Proctor and Pritchett take over the tackle positions, I'm going to get more critical. I kinda want to chalk this up to a mix-and-match approach to field the OL early in the first year of a program.

We looked much better on offense just with the walking, talking offensive penalty waiting to happen off the field.
Posted by RTRcdub
Member since Nov 2019
1970 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 12:58 am to
I don’t understand why hardly any screen passes were called when USF was sending 5-6 at least most of the game.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
8790 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:02 am to
They called one and got called for a block in the back behind the play when the tailback was running out of bounds
Posted by RTRcdub
Member since Nov 2019
1970 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:08 am to
They called a WR screen earlier in the game. Aside from the penalty, both plays were good for 10+ yards
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
8790 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:22 am to
Yep, they did...it is just hard to play offense when the line is not functioning. Can't really Establish It when you're getting behind the sticks due to holding any time there is a run. Can't really pass when the right side of the offensive line is a jailbreak or a hold every play.
Posted by Kashmir
Member since Dec 2014
8901 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:25 am to
Should have been screening every series along with slants that I’m beginning to believe is not in milrose’s repetoire. All the bomb attempts weren’t hitting on shite, but we kept throwing them. Heaven forbid we try more than a couple of screens.
Their DC had a hellava game plan against us! And our OC shite the bed!
Posted by UhOhOreo
Los Angeles
Member since Jul 2014
2882 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 1:31 am to
I’m not aware of anyone that ever calls multiple streak plays, time and time again to no avail, with a garbage line

Blaming the line is one thing but either the play calling was atrocious or Milroe decided that Uncle Rico was the only read he was going to make for three quarters of play

I’m genuinely confused in what I watched tonight. It was the equivalent of watching a Tosh Lupoi defense
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 1:32 am
Posted by PuertoRicanBlaze
Book Board Admin
Member since Apr 2024
4885 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 2:00 am to
It's like someone else said, we're getting the same results with a different coaching staff which means it's not coaching...
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
8790 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 2:08 am to
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I’m not aware of anyone that ever calls multiple streak plays, time and time again to no avail, with a garbage line Blaming the line is one thing but either the play calling was atrocious or Milroe decided that Uncle Rico was the only read he was going to make for three quarters of play I’m genuinely confused in what I watched tonight. It was the equivalent of watching a Tosh Lupoi defense


DeBoer is sorta known for being aggressive with going vertical in the passing attack. I don’t have All-22 tape, so I can’t speak to what all five eligibles were doing on a given play but several of the deep throws felt like plays where they were going 4 vert so he was going to throw it somewhere deep, run, or get sacked.
Posted by BasedCrimson
Member since Jun 2024
1019 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:58 am to
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DeBoer is sorta known for being aggressive with going vertical in the passing attack

Yeah, and it works really well when you have Michael Penix Jr. throwing to Rome Odunze

Unfortunately our best vertical threat is Jalen RB Milroe throwing up a wounded duck to a 6'0" 17 year-old and hoping for a PI call.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
14439 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 6:51 am to
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
8790 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 7:00 am to
I don't know if it is just me but I feel like a QB completing 62.9% of his passes for ~200 yards and 2 TDs is not that bad. He really didn't miss any of his bunnies by my memory at least. Several of the 10 misses were 50/50 deep passes. His two worst passes in terms of potential harm were affected by pressure hitting him in the throwing motion.

Again, the offensive line was in shambles. He was involved in all 4 of the TDs that essentially put the game away. The fact his stat line was not player of the week caliber was almost exclusively due to Formby penalties.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
27766 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 7:05 am to
I's not my biggest concern, but I'm a little concerned that we let a RB get over 100 yards. That used to almost never happen, and was almost always a loss on the rare occasions that it did.

I'm hugely concerned about ball security and depth on the OL. If those get fixed, I think we will be good enough with Milroe, but yeah, I won't sugarcoat his deficiencies. A big one is turning 8 yard losses into 18 yard losses. Either throw it away, escape forward and get what you can, or take the sack right there. Don't try to escape by retreating.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
14439 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 7:05 am to
You can't just go by stats. He runs late and he goes down early to avoid contact.

He is not going through his reads. He's watching for the first rusher and then many times he starts crabwalking backwards. When he doesn't do this he tosses it deep.

We are not going to beat teams that have our level of talent with that type of QB play.
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 7:09 am
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
16533 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 7:25 am to
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We haven't played the OL we camped with the entire season and had two different starting lineups in as many weeks. If this shite is still a hot mess once Proctor and Pritchett take over the tackle positions, I'm going to get more critical. I kinda want to chalk this up to a mix-and-match approach to field the OL early in the first year of a program.

There were major issues up front last week that were covered by the explosive plays on offense. Proctor might be the answer at LT, but Pritchett isn’t ready at RT.

Until we find answers up front we are going to have some very uncomfortable games.

The hard truth with Sheridan is that he has the worst resume at OC since Major Applewhite was calling plays for Saban back in 2007. He’s going to have to learn and develop as he goes because he’s not a finished product.

The offensive coaching staff DeBoer had at UW was probably the best in CFB last year. The problem is the most talented coaches from that staff are now working in the NFL because their wives didn’t want to move to AL.

Until Sheridan understands what Milroe’s limitations are we are going to underperform offensively. He can run the 2H 2023 offense effectively and basically that’s it. I’d hoped that the helmet mic would mitigate his lack of in game awareness as to protection calls and what the defense is doing, but it hasn’t.

Our options are:
1) adapt the offense to Milroe and probably win 9-10 games with a trip to the playoffs if we figure out the OL
2) We can bench him for Simpson, run the full offense and probably win 9-10 games with a playoff trip if we figure out the OL and the team doesn’t mutiny like they did last year when Milroe was benched.
3) we continue doing what we’re doing and finish 8-4 with this ridiculous schedule with losses to UGA, @TN, @LSU and Missouri or @OU.
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 7:26 am
Posted by Kerrygold
Virginia
Member since Dec 2018
548 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 7:30 am to
Was gonna post something similar but didn’t wanna get flamed. I think 2 losses is doable. Hopefully I’m dead wrong.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
16533 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 7:30 am to
quote:

I's not my biggest concern, but I'm a little concerned that we let a RB get over 100 yards. That used to almost never happen, and was almost always a loss on the rare occasions that it did.

It’s going to happen routinely now with our one gap defensive scheme.

With Saban we played two gap and plugged the run lanes while assuming our outside guys could pressure the QB without help.

Now it’s gonna be DL guys shooting gaps and either getting the QB/RB or an 8 yard gain against UGA.

To be fair Saban was probably going to have to adapt his scheme at some point due to the transfer portal, but the future came early with the coaching change.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
16533 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 7:34 am to
quote:

Was gonna post something similar but didn’t wanna get flamed. I think 2 losses is doable.

This isn’t Reddit or something, the downvotes won’t hurt you haha.

As far as our record goes I agree, the schedule is just tough.

If we run the Milroe offense, get Proctor back and DeBoer becomes co-OC I think we go 10-2 or 9-3.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
8790 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 8:17 am to
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You can't just go by stats. He runs late and he goes down early to avoid contact.

He is not going through his reads. He's watching for the first rusher and then many times he starts crabwalking backwards. When he doesn't do this he tosses it deep.

We are not going to beat teams that have our level of talent with that type of QB play.


The thing I liked from last night was he took one of those devastating 20 yard sacks 1-2 times and it is clear he took an arse-chewing about it. After that chewing, he did the sensible escape and throw out of bounds on 2-3 occasions in the 4th quarter. He was doing that crap all season long in 2023 and never learned that an incomplete pass that helps field position is not a negative sometimes. He stopped doing it after some direct coaching mid-game last night. It is possible that the line play going to shite made him feel like he was back in 'nam and there was some reversion but coaching got him snapped back into playing the position with poise and intelligence again.

Also, I want our QB1 to avoid contact as a runner. Furthermore, his two TDs were on a button hook and a crossing pattern where the receiver sat in a void about ten yards down field. He put the ball on them such that they could make a man miss then get an explosive TD out of it.

Finally, I went to every home game in 2022 and I saw our Heisman winning #1 overall pick QB not find wide open options and throw it to a more covered receiver on many such occasions. We can make assumptions on what the progression on a play may be but I can tell you that I didn't think every time that happened with BY that it was because he didn't have a good mind for reading defenses. I think the advantage Young had over Milroe is his quick release and decisiveness with his reads. Even if Young didn't throw it to the best spot, his decisiveness and quick release often made it not a disaster and sometimes it worked out well for him.

Milroe's problem is not that he's missing open receivers. Even Tom Brady did it. Milroe's problem is indecisiveness and a throwing mechanic that doesn't lend itself to saving those milliseconds that makes the difference between the receiver having separation or getting contested by a defender.
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