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Posted on 8/2/24 at 7:49 am
Posted on 8/2/24 at 7:49 am
Guys, coaches have their duties, but we need to make sure players are making plays. Coaches can only do so much, then the player has to take what he's been taught and execute and win battles.
So, instead of jumping on a pos coach or BV, let's determine if a player actually did their job first. Just a FYI.
These guys thought they did their job and the player didn't here. So, yes players do cause wins and losses.
So, instead of jumping on a pos coach or BV, let's determine if a player actually did their job first. Just a FYI.
These guys thought they did their job and the player didn't here. So, yes players do cause wins and losses.
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Posted on 8/2/24 at 9:45 am to Soonerboomer1
Of course players mess up, and cost games. Kickers especially. However, coach is like the Captain of a ship, always responsible. What could coaches have done better in the many months prior to games? Did they have the right schemes for the play. Did they condition them enough (or even too much). Did they go over situational awareness and did they do it enough times.
Even though players make mistakes it can almost aways lead back to a coach. When a kicker misses, was the right kicker in. Was the holder not placing ball correctly. Maybe the long snapper had a higher snap causing the holder to make extra move up to catch which threw off his timing - all while kicker is already in motion so timing is now off. So perhaps the coaches didn’t allow enough practice time using while like and defenders. The kicking practice needs reps with both lines, so the time allotted might be a factor.
Thats why football is so fun, many moving parts to make it all work.
Even though players make mistakes it can almost aways lead back to a coach. When a kicker misses, was the right kicker in. Was the holder not placing ball correctly. Maybe the long snapper had a higher snap causing the holder to make extra move up to catch which threw off his timing - all while kicker is already in motion so timing is now off. So perhaps the coaches didn’t allow enough practice time using while like and defenders. The kicking practice needs reps with both lines, so the time allotted might be a factor.
Thats why football is so fun, many moving parts to make it all work.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 11:05 am to OU Guy
It CAN take a coach a few events to see one player is NOT the best choice. OU switched punters last year and improved dramatically AFTER the switch.
FG kicking probably had no good solution LAST YEAR because there were not enough good options.
With a new ST coach, things should improve. There is a new option at FG kicker and early word is he will take over.
As for other players, busted Pass D can happen, but better not happen more than twice for a player or the coach should change guys. RBs that fumble cannot be tolerated. (In that vein, I hope WRs that fumble are not tolerated this season!)
FG kicking probably had no good solution LAST YEAR because there were not enough good options.
With a new ST coach, things should improve. There is a new option at FG kicker and early word is he will take over.
As for other players, busted Pass D can happen, but better not happen more than twice for a player or the coach should change guys. RBs that fumble cannot be tolerated. (In that vein, I hope WRs that fumble are not tolerated this season!)
Posted on 8/2/24 at 5:23 pm to OU Guy
Of course. I am just pointing to having a balanced opinion. The coaching blame has to be examined on a case by case basis. You don't a priori deduce from player error back to must have been coaching. You take it as I intimated, on a case-by-case basis. Too many OU fans, see a mistake run to the Oh, bad coaching. Prove there was bad coaching first then make a claim. This is all I am saying and it is clearly a logical and fair point.
e.g. Farroq fumbling three times. If you want to blame the wr coach, you would have to show that he didn't teach ball security. Also, you need to ask, why haven't the other Wrs fumbled as well.
e.g. Farroq fumbling three times. If you want to blame the wr coach, you would have to show that he didn't teach ball security. Also, you need to ask, why haven't the other Wrs fumbled as well.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 5:25 pm to Cush Creekmont
Yeah I can agree with that the New ST coach may solve whatever coaching errors there were, but a new coach in just a few months may not have had the time to improve the talent.
As I said for years on TFB, unless the back up has not given coaches confidence and earned time, it would be difficult to put that kid out on the field even if the starter or 2nd stringer is failing. We saw what happened when the CB's got hurt in 2021 and TBOW put rookies on the field v texsa.
Agree that the depth seems better at most spots, so yes, should have confidence to pull a kid like they pulled Key Lawrence late last season for RSj etc...Hey Cush nice points. You've always been fair with me (DHS). Appreciate it.
As I said for years on TFB, unless the back up has not given coaches confidence and earned time, it would be difficult to put that kid out on the field even if the starter or 2nd stringer is failing. We saw what happened when the CB's got hurt in 2021 and TBOW put rookies on the field v texsa.
Agree that the depth seems better at most spots, so yes, should have confidence to pull a kid like they pulled Key Lawrence late last season for RSj etc...Hey Cush nice points. You've always been fair with me (DHS). Appreciate it.
This post was edited on 8/2/24 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 8/8/24 at 6:55 pm to Cush Creekmont
Insert University of Chicago study?
Posted on 8/14/24 at 9:28 am to Soonerboomer1
Posted on 8/14/24 at 7:23 pm to greensooner
Not this time. That's for those who can't think through the argument. It's a good point that if a player (s) are performing as expected, and 1 WR is fumbling, we can be pretty sure it wasn't coaching. Like when an OT isn't performing but another one is. It ain't BB. Unless someone has evidence that BB didn't coach the kid in the same way etc...
This post was edited on 8/14/24 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 8/14/24 at 7:25 pm to OU Guy
ME TOO! But he did remove 70 players from the first-year roster for not play well enough. In my post, I never denied coaches are ultimately responsible. I simply said, players makes mistakes too. Saban went nuts on a kid because he knew the kid was coached up and blew it.
This post was edited on 8/14/24 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 8/14/24 at 7:30 pm to Cush Creekmont
Agree when a player does error repeatedly, they should be removed. Assuming the backups have earned sufficient trust. You agree that's a coach's responsibility.
Posted on 8/14/24 at 9:38 pm to Soonerboomer1
Its a balancing act. Balance killing a players confidence vs hurting the team if left in.
Also, coaches see these players in every practice and the bench guy we want in might have made so many mistakes he’s not ready
Lots of moving parts and of course we fans will always have our opinions too. We are never wrong either lol
Also, coaches see these players in every practice and the bench guy we want in might have made so many mistakes he’s not ready
Lots of moving parts and of course we fans will always have our opinions too. We are never wrong either lol
Posted on 8/15/24 at 7:35 am to OU Guy
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