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How long before the 3 years removed from High School goes away?
Posted on 7/29/24 at 7:49 am
Posted on 7/29/24 at 7:49 am
The justification used in the past has always been that these kids are amatures and would lose eligibility if they entered the draft. Now that they are getting paid what's stopping them from returning to college if they aren't drafted?
I know the NFL says their "bodies aren't ready" but we all know that isn't true. Some sophomores are ready.
I know the NFL says their "bodies aren't ready" but we all know that isn't true. Some sophomores are ready.
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Posted on 7/29/24 at 7:51 am to boogiewoogie1978
That’s an NFL rule.
The only way it changes is if the NFL owners and NFL players union decide to agree on letting younger players in during the next CBA.
Probably not happening.
The only way it changes is if the NFL owners and NFL players union decide to agree on letting younger players in during the next CBA.
Probably not happening.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 8:45 am to GreyReb
Exactly, and why would the NFL allow it when they get 3 years worth of a free tryout that limits the risk when drafting these guys?
Posted on 7/29/24 at 8:51 am to lefty08
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Exactly, and why would the NFL allow it when they get 3 years worth of a free tryout that limits the risk when drafting these guys?
Because NIL catches up to NFL rookie money and guys start staying in school...
Posted on 7/29/24 at 9:12 am to boogiewoogie1978
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How long before the 3 years removed from High School goes away?
An Ohio State running back went to court to challenge early entry into the NFL. He lost. Then he finally got drafted when he was illegible and did nothing.
Today he would be worth more to his team financially than a first-round pick.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 9:16 am to bamameister
Could an NFL player who signed early, but got cut his second year as
a pro, return to play college football?
a pro, return to play college football?
Posted on 7/29/24 at 9:17 am to lefty08
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Exactly, and why would the NFL allow it when they get 3 years worth of a free tryout that limits the risk when drafting these guys?
ding ding ding
it's a rosy situation that very much benefits the NFL, they have no reason to upset the apple cart
Posted on 7/29/24 at 10:36 am to boogiewoogie1978
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The justification used in the past has always been that these kids are amatures
I'd use the justification of... these kids are kids. Would you want your 18yr old getting hit by a Ray Lewis or maybe your kid is 185lb DB and has to tackle a Derrick Henry.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 11:14 am to GreyReb
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Probably not happening.
And it shouldn't.
With a few positional exceptions, college players need a volume of reps to get ready to compete in the pros.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 11:27 am to bamameister
quote:This brings up a good point.
An Ohio State running back went to court to challenge early entry into the NFL. He lost.
The NCAA may be getting its arse kicked in court, but the NFL is essentially undefeated (sans the USFL's $3 check). Every franchise is worth over $3B, all have stadiums that have been funded with some public money, and all the owners are filthy rich (GB being the exception).
I don't see the NFL losing in court to some kid who isn't as funded as well as the league.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 11:31 am to lefty08
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why would the NFL allow it when they get 3 years worth of a free tryout that limits the risk when drafting these guys?
Exactly. They are getting a free ride without having to invest anything.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 11:45 am to GreyReb
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The only way it changes is if the NFL owners and NFL players union decide to agree on letting younger players in during the next CBA.
Probably not happening.
When colleges staring competing for the top QB talent then the owners will change very quickly.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 11:48 am to boogiewoogie1978
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The justification used in the past has always been that these kids are amatures and would lose eligibility if they entered the draft.
That has never been the justification...So there is that. The proof is the fact that basketball and baseball allows the player to enter the draft and in some cases GET DRAFTED and still remain eligible to compete in college.
The justification has ALWAYS been that 18 year olds are not physically or mentally ready for the NFL.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 11:52 am to boogiewoogie1978
While I do not want to see a "1 and done" situation in college football, for positions like Running back this would be huge. Careers can be relatively short due to the amount of hits they take.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 11:53 am to SouthernInsanity
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I'd use the justification of... these kids are kids. Would you want your 18yr old getting hit by a Ray Lewis or maybe your kid is 185lb DB and has to tackle a Derrick Henry.
Is Derrick Henry today much bigger, faster, or stronger than he was in his Heisman year when freshman had to compete against him?
There are absolutely players who are physically ready (some physically and mentally ready) to make an NFL roster and be at least a contributor at 19 years old.
If we can expect everyday high school kids from Jerkwater, Alabama, to survive on the same field with a 5 star LB or DL from Pike Co. who will be in the NFL in three years, why do we think great young college players can’t compete in the NFL without being carted off the field?
Posted on 7/29/24 at 11:53 am to boogiewoogie1978
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When colleges staring competing for the top QB talent then the owners will change very quickly.
How would making them eligible earlier change the fact that they can make the same amount or more in college? Not to mention even if this comes true (I doubt college players ever make upwards of $30M a season), it would only delay a player's entry into the NFL by one year. Seems like that wouldn't be a very big issue for the NFL.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 11:57 am to Globetrotter747
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Is Derrick Henry today much bigger, faster, or stronger than he was in his Heisman year when freshman had to compete against him?
The NFL isn't going to change its rules because a few select players are ready for the NFL before their JR season. Even if they are ready, its best for the NFL to have them develop another year.
The only real argument I think holds water is that RBs, in particular, would have one less year of wear and tear one their bodies but I don't think the NFL is all that worried about a position that makes the least amount of money after specialists.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 11:59 am to boogiewoogie1978
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I know the NFL says their "bodies aren't ready" but we all know that isn't true. Some sophomores are ready.
That was once more true than it is now. The reduction in the physicality of the game has made it less of a problem.
Back to your point, I think players who go undrafted should be allowed to return to college, but I don’t know how that works with recruiting. The draft is in the spring, after national signing day. You would have to flip the order of those events to make that feasible.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 3:59 pm to DeafJam73
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The NFL isn't going to change its rules because a few select players are ready for the NFL before their JR season. Even if they are ready, its best for the NFL to have them develop another year.
Completely agree with this. There’s no reason for the NFL to want to change anything.
I just disagree with the premise that freshmen and sophomores in college are incapable of holding their own against NFL players. There are greater mismatches on high school fields all the time than there would be between a stud college freshman and an average NFL player.
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That was once more true than it is now. The reduction in the physicality of the game has made it less of a problem.
Let’s not forget that the 1985 Bears got torched by smurfs like Duper and Clayton.
The physicality of decades past is overrated. Someone is still going to knock your dick in the dirt in the NFL.
This post was edited on 7/29/24 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 7/29/24 at 4:25 pm to boogiewoogie1978
The Courts said the NFL can do it so it's their farm system basically. Basketball would have been smart to have a 2 year rule.
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