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re: It's time to restore all forfeited or vacated games.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:53 am to BulldogDX
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:53 am to BulldogDX
How would he know? Only two of the victims were on campus, and Sandusky wasn't even a coach any longer. Neither of the two on campus victims were ever identified, and Sandusky was found not guilty for one of them (the incident reported by the assistant coach).
How many times have you read of pedos getting away with it for years and close friends and even family members didn't know?
Sandusky was an ex-coach. None of the victims were players, they were in a charity that no one else in the school had anything to do with. Do you know everything (or anything) your coworkers do at home?
How many times have you read of pedos getting away with it for years and close friends and even family members didn't know?
Sandusky was an ex-coach. None of the victims were players, they were in a charity that no one else in the school had anything to do with. Do you know everything (or anything) your coworkers do at home?
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:50 am to The Winner
Nevermind, lsufball19 literally said what I posted
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 11:52 am
Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:00 pm to MedDawg
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Sandusky was an ex-coach. None of the victims were players, they were in a charity that no one else in the school had anything to do with. Do you know everything (or anything) your coworkers do at home?
A 2011 grand jury investigation reported that then-graduate assistant Mike McQueary told Paterno in 2002 (prosecutors later amended the date to 2001) that he had seen Sandusky abusing a 10-year-old boy in Penn State football's shower facilities. Joe Paterno acknowledged the incident.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:35 pm to The Winner
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From what I understand Alabama would be around the 1000 win mark if we used on the field results.
29 wins taken away. Would go from 965 to 994 all time wins.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:37 pm to MedDawg
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How would he know?
he admitted that McQueary told him about witnessing it.
and despite being more powerful than anyone else on campus, he did nothing after mentioning it to the AD.
oh and he waited a couple days before telling the AD so as not to ruin his weekend.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:40 pm to bamameister
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A 2011 grand jury investigation reported that then-graduate assistant Mike McQueary told Paterno in 2002 (prosecutors later amended the date to 2001) that he had seen Sandusky abusing a 10-year-old boy in Penn State football's shower facilities. Joe Paterno acknowledged the incident.
Didn't Paterno then report that to the AD/President and the AD/President then did nothing? If I'm Joe Paterno in that situation, my job is to report the incident to the proper people to investigate to see what was what. If those people never did anything, I would probably assume the investigation turned up to be nothing. He's a football coach. He is not an investigator of criminal activity.
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 1:55 pm to lsufball19
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Didn't Paterno then report that to the AD/President and the AD/President then did nothing? If I'm Joe Paterno in that situation, my job is to report the incident to the proper people to investigate to see what was what. If those people never did anything, I would probably assume the investigation turned up to be nothing. He's a football coach. He is not an investigator of criminal activity.
You can theorize all you like. Joe Paterno made one startling comment before his death. "I wish I had done more." And if one of my coaches said he saw a 10-year-old boy in the shower being sexually molested by my DC, I would be more than motivated to investigate it myself.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:38 pm to lsufball19
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Didn't Paterno then report that to the AD/President and the AD/President then did nothing? If I'm Joe Paterno in that situation, my job is to report the incident to the proper people to investigate to see what was what. If those people never did anything, I would probably assume the investigation turned up to be nothing. He's a football coach. He is not an investigator of criminal activity.
we’re not talking about stealing a roll of toilet paper from the facility.
we taking about allegedly raping a little boy.
would you really tell only one person, then just let it go?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:51 pm to bamameister
Any indication that Saban ever investigated any crime himself? Has any coach ever done a legal investigation? That's not what coaches do. In fact, it would probably be seen as obstruction.
What Paterno did is exactly what coaches today are supposed to do. That's the current protocol. Paterno was told of horseplay and reported it to his AD, school president, and the head of security.
The incident reported by the assistant coach? Sandusky was found innocent. The only one he was cleared of. Sandusky hadn't been a coach in years. He was an ex-coach with access to facilities.
Be sure I have spent many hours reading on this. I don't take my facts from ESPN. Sandusky is in jail as he should be.
What Paterno did is exactly what coaches today are supposed to do. That's the current protocol. Paterno was told of horseplay and reported it to his AD, school president, and the head of security.
The incident reported by the assistant coach? Sandusky was found innocent. The only one he was cleared of. Sandusky hadn't been a coach in years. He was an ex-coach with access to facilities.
Be sure I have spent many hours reading on this. I don't take my facts from ESPN. Sandusky is in jail as he should be.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 6:16 am to MedDawg
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Any indication that Saban ever investigated any crime himself? Has any coach ever done a legal investigation? That's not what coaches do. In fact, it would probably be seen as obstruction.
Sure I do. The head coach has a moral responsibility to the program to look into any allegations concerning sexual abuse. What he finds will be quickly given to the right authority.
If my assistant coach came to me and told me the DC was taking a shower with a 10-year-old boy in the facilities, it would take me 10 minutes to be in the same room with my DC and the coach who made the accusation and they would be saying it face to face. Someone is lying and one of those coaches would no longer be on staff. I would also know who that 10-year-old boy is. When that business meeting is concluded, you get in touch with everyone who should be contacted.
That didn't happen and both coaches remained on staff for years after. First and foremost your football staff answers to the head coach and his job is to oversee everything that happens on his watch. Everything.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 8:27 am to Faurot fodder
quote:Maybe they can play some extra bowl games to make up for the ones they were banned from back in the 80's? Not sure how they can be compensated for all the games that werent on tv, but tbh neither was their lone Natty. Lololol
Does Aggie get its Covid forfeit back?
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:03 am to MedDawg
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What Paterno did is exactly what coaches today are supposed to do. That's the current protocol. Paterno was told of horseplay and reported it to his AD, school president, and the head of security.
and by his own admission, never even followed up on it.
the department I run is not anywhere remotely close to the size and power that a big time college football program is.
and if there were allegations like that brought to me, I would pass them up the chain.
but I would also damn sure ask again to make sure things were right.
I'd ask HR for assurances that everything was done and done properly.
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The incident reported by the assistant coach? Sandusky was found innocent. The only one he was cleared of.
the result of the court case is not relevant to how Paterno handled things years before the case was even tried.
Joe openly admitted that he didn't do as much as he should have.
He openly admitted sitting on the info for a couple days because "I didn't want to ruin anybody's weekend"
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Sandusky hadn't been a coach in years. He was an ex-coach with access to facilities.
you don't think Paterno had a shitton of pull on who did and didn't have access to facilities?
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:37 am to dirtsandwich
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Big for bama
I’ll take them.
Why not count them now just like your AD counts "futbal nashnul champeenchips" that you have absolutely no claim to.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:45 pm to nicholastiger
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Galen Hall was a model citizen at Fla
Charlie Pell was dirty but Galen Hall got in trouble over an accusation (never proven) that he paid child support for one of his players. We were still on probation from the Pell years so we had to bite the bullet (this was right after SMU got the death penalty).
Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:46 pm to Pvt Hudson
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A&M claiming 1994 co-National championship.
When y'all were banned from postseason play while undefeated Nebraska and Penn St both won their bowls?
Posted on 5/16/24 at 12:50 pm to MedDawg
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What Paterno did is exactly what coaches today are supposed to do.
What a weird, gross hill to die on here.
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