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Alabama's 1941 national championship was first awarded in 1954

Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:51 pm
Posted by MajorSelector
Member since Jan 2023
17 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:51 pm
The Houlgate System was a math rating system distributed in newspapers in the 1930s. It awarded pre-bowl national championships.

It also awarded a trophy to the pre-bowl champion, the Foreman & Clark Trophy. (Anyone know where it is today? Stanford, SMU, and LSU had it from 1934–1936.)

On December 2, 1941, five days before Pearl Harbor, in his "final selections", Deke Houlgate "placed the Golden Gophers of Minnesota in the top spot in national standings." Alabama was 3rd.



13 years later, in 1954, Houlgate published the second edition of "The Football Thesaurus". In this book, he recounted the history of football and updated his Houlgate System rankings to include Bowl Games. Scans here.

In 1954, this is all that was written about Alabama 1941's national championship:



This book, in 1954, is the first instance of Houlgate naming Alabama for 1941. It was not a contemporary selection.

Years later, in 1967, sportswriter Dan Jenkins wrote an article for Sports Illustrated in which he went back and tabulated all of the various national championship selectors over the years. Jenkins listed Houlgate as "Thesaurus," making clear the book is where he got his info, and listed the selection as Alabama (not Minnesota).

This 1967 Sports Illustrated article is almost certainly where Alabama SDI Wayne Atcheson got his info when adding national championships in the 1980s. Alabam's claims today include all 8 of the Alabama selections in the Sports Illustrated article. 1966 is not listed for Alabama in the SI article, thus it is not claimed today (despite now being in the NCAA records book).

The 1941 title was retroactively awarded in 1954.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
104972 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:51 pm to
Yea the 1941 title is dumb. Thank you for the reminder, MajorSelector.
Posted by The Winner
Member since Nov 2016
8135 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:56 pm to
We literally defeated Alabama, won the SEC and have a better record. How are we not the 1941 champs?
Posted by BrerTiger
Valley of the Long Grey Cloud
Member since Sep 2011
21627 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:59 pm to
quote:

We literally defeated Alabama, won the SEC and have a better record. How are we not the 1941 champs?


Because Alabama bombed Pearl Harbor.

For once, the immensely overused "Germans" retort feels appropriate for this thread.
Posted by BhamBlazeDog
Birmingham
Member since Aug 2018
3798 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 3:00 pm to
State also beat them in Tuscaloosa 14-0... Just saying, we also only lost one game.
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 3:01 pm
Posted by DaBeerz
Member since Sep 2004
18002 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

Atcheson never thought it told the whole story that official Alabama football records listed only six national championships. He dug into the record books and came up with five additional Alabama teams that he thought deserved to be recognized by the school as national champions. When he put together the 1984 media guide, the last page now featured 11 national championships. In the pages directly before that, he detailed every national championship-winning team in program history, adding 1925, 1926, 1930, 1934 and 1941. Overnight, Alabama went from six national titles to 11.


The SID decided that Alabama deserved 5 more in 1 year. They were never earned or given to them

LINK

Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
4496 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 3:03 pm to
Welcome to the world of major CFB.
Posted by MajorSelector
Member since Jan 2023
17 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 3:07 pm to
Everyone has always seen the 1941 title as suspect.

The new info here is that it was retroactively awarded in 1954.

The go-to defense was that *someone* awarded them the national championship, so it's worth recognizing. They knew they were national champions in 1941 so let's claim it.

1954 is a whole 'nother animal. No one in Alabama read this book.
Posted by Decker
Member since Nov 2015
3450 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 3:09 pm to
That’s not new information. No one gives a shite.
Posted by The Winner
Member since Nov 2016
8135 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 3:11 pm to
Alabama had 2 losses, Mississippi State has 1 loss, defeated Alabama, and won the SEC.

Yet they had the national championship
Posted by Islandboy777
DAUPHIN ISLAND
Member since Jul 2023
1993 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 3:17 pm to
I see ya Mississippi state
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