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Alabama's 1941 national championship was first awarded in 1954
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:51 pm
The Houlgate System was a math rating system distributed in newspapers in the 1930s. It awarded pre-bowl national championships.
It also awarded a trophy to the pre-bowl champion, the Foreman & Clark Trophy. (Anyone know where it is today? Stanford, SMU, and LSU had it from 1934–1936.)
On December 2, 1941, five days before Pearl Harbor, in his "final selections", Deke Houlgate "placed the Golden Gophers of Minnesota in the top spot in national standings." Alabama was 3rd.
13 years later, in 1954, Houlgate published the second edition of "The Football Thesaurus". In this book, he recounted the history of football and updated his Houlgate System rankings to include Bowl Games. Scans here.
In 1954, this is all that was written about Alabama 1941's national championship:
This book, in 1954, is the first instance of Houlgate naming Alabama for 1941. It was not a contemporary selection.
Years later, in 1967, sportswriter Dan Jenkins wrote an article for Sports Illustrated in which he went back and tabulated all of the various national championship selectors over the years. Jenkins listed Houlgate as "Thesaurus," making clear the book is where he got his info, and listed the selection as Alabama (not Minnesota).
This 1967 Sports Illustrated article is almost certainly where Alabama SDI Wayne Atcheson got his info when adding national championships in the 1980s. Alabam's claims today include all 8 of the Alabama selections in the Sports Illustrated article. 1966 is not listed for Alabama in the SI article, thus it is not claimed today (despite now being in the NCAA records book).
The 1941 title was retroactively awarded in 1954.
It also awarded a trophy to the pre-bowl champion, the Foreman & Clark Trophy. (Anyone know where it is today? Stanford, SMU, and LSU had it from 1934–1936.)
On December 2, 1941, five days before Pearl Harbor, in his "final selections", Deke Houlgate "placed the Golden Gophers of Minnesota in the top spot in national standings." Alabama was 3rd.

13 years later, in 1954, Houlgate published the second edition of "The Football Thesaurus". In this book, he recounted the history of football and updated his Houlgate System rankings to include Bowl Games. Scans here.
In 1954, this is all that was written about Alabama 1941's national championship:

This book, in 1954, is the first instance of Houlgate naming Alabama for 1941. It was not a contemporary selection.
Years later, in 1967, sportswriter Dan Jenkins wrote an article for Sports Illustrated in which he went back and tabulated all of the various national championship selectors over the years. Jenkins listed Houlgate as "Thesaurus," making clear the book is where he got his info, and listed the selection as Alabama (not Minnesota).
This 1967 Sports Illustrated article is almost certainly where Alabama SDI Wayne Atcheson got his info when adding national championships in the 1980s. Alabam's claims today include all 8 of the Alabama selections in the Sports Illustrated article. 1966 is not listed for Alabama in the SI article, thus it is not claimed today (despite now being in the NCAA records book).
The 1941 title was retroactively awarded in 1954.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:51 pm to MajorSelector
Yea the 1941 title is dumb. Thank you for the reminder, MajorSelector.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:56 pm to MajorSelector
We literally defeated Alabama, won the SEC and have a better record. How are we not the 1941 champs?
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:59 pm to The Winner
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We literally defeated Alabama, won the SEC and have a better record. How are we not the 1941 champs?
Because Alabama bombed Pearl Harbor.
For once, the immensely overused "Germans" retort feels appropriate for this thread.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 3:00 pm to MajorSelector
State also beat them in Tuscaloosa 14-0... Just saying, we also only lost one game.
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 1/17/24 at 3:01 pm to MajorSelector
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Atcheson never thought it told the whole story that official Alabama football records listed only six national championships. He dug into the record books and came up with five additional Alabama teams that he thought deserved to be recognized by the school as national champions. When he put together the 1984 media guide, the last page now featured 11 national championships. In the pages directly before that, he detailed every national championship-winning team in program history, adding 1925, 1926, 1930, 1934 and 1941. Overnight, Alabama went from six national titles to 11.
The SID decided that Alabama deserved 5 more in 1 year. They were never earned or given to them
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 3:03 pm to MajorSelector
Welcome to the world of major CFB.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 3:07 pm to GoGators1995
Everyone has always seen the 1941 title as suspect.
The new info here is that it was retroactively awarded in 1954.
The go-to defense was that *someone* awarded them the national championship, so it's worth recognizing. They knew they were national champions in 1941 so let's claim it.
1954 is a whole 'nother animal. No one in Alabama read this book.
The new info here is that it was retroactively awarded in 1954.
The go-to defense was that *someone* awarded them the national championship, so it's worth recognizing. They knew they were national champions in 1941 so let's claim it.
1954 is a whole 'nother animal. No one in Alabama read this book.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 3:09 pm to MajorSelector
That’s not new information. No one gives a shite.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 3:11 pm to BhamBlazeDog
Alabama had 2 losses, Mississippi State has 1 loss, defeated Alabama, and won the SEC.
Yet they had the national championship
Yet they had the national championship
Posted on 1/17/24 at 3:17 pm to MajorSelector
I see ya Mississippi state
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