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re: Coordinator’s/Position Coaches
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:17 am to slacker130
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:17 am to slacker130
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Yeah, not sure why he did that.
Because names in coaching circles are bigger names than what we as fans know, but I agree, he should have known better to say that with our fan base.
I am in this mode only now. I am not going to waste my time arguing over the hires.
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:39 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
One thing I would eventually love to know, but understand we will never likely know, is the dynamic and decision of hiring all the position coaches before the coordinators.
Was it purely to get to recruiting kids?
Monty and Roberts must be OK with it because they signed on the dotted line, but I have to imagine they had preferences for position guys they wanted.
Was it purely to get to recruiting kids?
Monty and Roberts must be OK with it because they signed on the dotted line, but I have to imagine they had preferences for position guys they wanted.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:42 am to Niner
quote:It’s better than unemployment
Monty and Roberts must be OK with it
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:44 am to Niner
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Was it purely to get to recruiting kids?
This is the correct answer.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:46 am to aubiecat
quote:I wonder if having the position coaches already installed was a deterrent to some other candidates wanting the gig.
This is the correct answer.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:47 am to Weagle25
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Odom is a damn good DC. Disagree with you on that one.
Based on your posts on the others, you would disagree with yourself that he is a damn good DC. I don't dislike Odom, but he would be no more of a home run hire than Roberts.
Scoring
2012 - 81st (Memphis)
2013 - 54th (Memphis)
2014 - 13th (Memphis)
2015 - 5th (Missouri)
2020 - 95th (Arkansas)
2021 - 43rd(Arkansas)
2022 - 81st (Arkansas)
Efficiency
2012 - 69th (Memphis)
2013 - 69th (Memphis)
2014 - 36th (Memphis)
2015 - 13th (Missouri)
2020 - 67th (Arkansas)
2021 - 17th (Arkansas)
2022 - 60th (Arkansas)
Recruiting: Poor
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 11:48 am
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:48 am to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:This defines his career though Crazy.
2021 - 17th (Arkansas)
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:50 am to CorchJay
quote:Really complicated. We'll probably look bad-to-average for the first 3-5 games and that's assuming we can get some SEC starters at DT, DE & LB. If we don't we'll need to put up video game numbers on offense. And to do that we'll need 6 OL from the portal and probably 4 of those starters.
Roberts defense is very complicated as well. It want be a fast turnaround unless the players pick it up fast. It is very multiple much like Aranda’s at LSU.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:54 am to CorchJay
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Yes Montgomery was the OC at Baylor for Briles.
Didn't he come up through the HS ranks with Briles as well?
Posted on 12/12/22 at 11:59 am to GoCrazyAuburn
Damn
Posted on 12/12/22 at 12:03 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Alpine and Corch, don’t like the complicated comment. I heard how Kirby has simplified his D vs Nick so his guys can play faster
Obviously they both have studs that we don’t, but UGA has out performed Bama on the D side the last few years
Obviously they both have studs that we don’t, but UGA has out performed Bama on the D side the last few years
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:05 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Based on your posts on the others, you would disagree with yourself that he is a damn good DC. I don't dislike Odom, but he would be no more of a home run hire than Roberts.
Those efficiency numbers aren’t accurate. Didn’t check your scoring numbers. Just knew efficiency didn’t sound right.
His numbers back to 2015:
74th
23rd
30th
25th
16th
92nd
88th
16th
LINK
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:10 pm to Weagle25
My efficiency numbers are accurate, you just never specified which efficiency rating you used. Also, why would you use the majority of years when he is a HC, when evaluating him as a DC? It still does't really help your argument that he is a "damn good DC" when viewed against your opinions on the others.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:13 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
I mean that’s a debatable point.
Depends on the coach, some HCs are heavily involved some aren’t. I think Odom was very much involved in the defense therefore I think it’s fair to include those years.
For example our offense under Freeze, I would probably want to see those numbers if I was evaluating Freeze for a job because it’s going to be his offense.
When i did Montgomery’s numbers, I know I included his Tulsa years.
Depends on the coach, some HCs are heavily involved some aren’t. I think Odom was very much involved in the defense therefore I think it’s fair to include those years.
For example our offense under Freeze, I would probably want to see those numbers if I was evaluating Freeze for a job because it’s going to be his offense.
When i did Montgomery’s numbers, I know I included his Tulsa years.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:15 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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My efficiency numbers are accurate, you just never specified which efficiency rating you used. Also, why would you use the majority of years when he is a HC, when evaluating him as a DC? It still does't really help your argument that he is a "damn good DC" when viewed against your opinions on the others.
Have I really given my opinion on anybody besides Odom and Roberts? Odom’s numbers I posted are definitely better than Roberts’.
I know I said I would consider Tony Gibson a damn good hire. But he’s got better numbers than Odom.
Maybe I did and don’t remember but from what I remember I just posted the numbers for every candidate that got mentioned and mostly left it up for interpretation
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:19 pm to Weagle25
Odom is out of the picture though I thought
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:19 pm to Weagle25
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I mean that’s a debatable point.
Not really. If i'm discussing how someone will be as a DC, i'm going to look at what they did as a DC. I am not going to really judge Kevin Steele's ability to be a DC with how he did as a HC, even though he was every bit as involved with his defense as Odom was while he was a HC.
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Depends on the coach, some HCs are heavily involved some aren’t. I think Odom was very much involved in the defense.
Okay, so what % of their defensive rankings during his year's as a HC to you attribute to him vs his DC?
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For example our offense under Freeze, I would probably want to see those numbers if I was evaluating Freeze for a job because it’s going to be his offense.
Hugh also called plays as a HC. Did Odom ever call the defensive plays while he was a HC? The two are not comparable, and I still would focus more of my attention on how someone did in the role i'm hiring them first and foremost.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:21 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
LINK
Here’s the one I posted for Odom (which I actually said pass)
Meta changed my mind with Efficiency numbers.
Here’s the one I posted for Odom (which I actually said pass
) Meta changed my mind with Efficiency numbers.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:22 pm to TemperdTiger
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Odom is out of the picture though I thought
We hired Roberts. We’re just arguing
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:28 pm to Weagle25
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Odom’s numbers I posted are definitely better than Roberts’.
I never said they weren't better than Roberts, but as to my original point, you would disagree with yourself that he was a "damn good DC" based on the metric you yourself put in place. They are marginally better at best.
Average efficiency rankings of 55 vs 45 or 47 depending if you use mine or your numbers. Your opinion of the 55 ranking is "less than stellar" yet the 45/47 ranking is a damn good DC.
So again, by your own volition, Odom would not be a good DC to hire.
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