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If a QB accidentally releases the ball on the forward motion of a pump fake
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:38 am
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:38 am
And the ball falls forward to the ground, is that an incomplete pass or a fumble?
Similar question: If a QB accidentally releases the ball on the forward motion of a shovel pass pump fake and the ball falls forward to the ground, is that an incomplete pass or fumble?
I think in both scenarios, they are incomplete passes. They are incomplete passes because the QB voluntary moves his arm with the ball in a forward motion, he has control of the ball when he makes that forward motion, and when the ball releases it travels forward.
If I’m right in this analysis, then I think it must also apply to Missouri’s called fumble against AU. By strict application of the rules, I think that was an illegal forward pass and Missouri should have maintained the ball with a 5 yard penalty.
If a QB would have done the same thing from the pocket and duffed his shovel pass, it would be an incomplete pass, not a fumble. A forward pass is a forward pass whether it’s a QB in the pocket or it’s a RB 20 yards down the field.
Similar question: If a QB accidentally releases the ball on the forward motion of a shovel pass pump fake and the ball falls forward to the ground, is that an incomplete pass or fumble?
I think in both scenarios, they are incomplete passes. They are incomplete passes because the QB voluntary moves his arm with the ball in a forward motion, he has control of the ball when he makes that forward motion, and when the ball releases it travels forward.
If I’m right in this analysis, then I think it must also apply to Missouri’s called fumble against AU. By strict application of the rules, I think that was an illegal forward pass and Missouri should have maintained the ball with a 5 yard penalty.
If a QB would have done the same thing from the pocket and duffed his shovel pass, it would be an incomplete pass, not a fumble. A forward pass is a forward pass whether it’s a QB in the pocket or it’s a RB 20 yards down the field.
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Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:39 am to Jon Ham
no
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:39 am to Jon Ham
You’re being purposefully stupid.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:40 am to geauxnavybeatbama
Explain why it’s a fumble then.
What in my analysis was incorrect besides the conclusion?
What in my analysis was incorrect besides the conclusion?
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 8:42 am
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:41 am to Jon Ham
Your takes on the QB are correct. Your take on the RB is incorrect. Circumstances and context clues must be applied.
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 9:01 am
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:42 am to Jon Ham
Because he wasn’t trying to throw it. He was trying to extend it while still maintaining control of it. He lost control of it after he’s arm was extended but not attempting to throw it.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:42 am to Jon Ham
Ball fell out of his hand. That's always a fumble, regardless of where on the field it happens
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:43 am to Jon Ham
I’m with you Jon. Let’s go to war
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:43 am to Jon Ham
Even if so, there was no intent to pass. No different than KJ’s fumble.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:44 am to SRV
Way different. KJs was knocked loose. Mizzou RB drops the ball (forward) before any contact is made
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:45 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Because he wasn’t trying to throw it.
Neither is the QB when he’s trying to pump fake. Do you think it’s a fumble then if a QB releases the ball forward in the forward motion of a pump fake?
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He lost control of it after he’s arm was extended but not attempting to throw it.
He released the ball in the same motion of the arm extension.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:45 am to Jon Ham
This same play has been ruled a fumble every time when folks are going into the end zone.
It should never have gotten to that, our QB did not slide on third down and easily made the first down. Mizzou calls TO and our coaches did not have the intelligence to challenge the play. Auburn QB was tripped from behind. (We then get stuffed on Fourth down.)
It should never have gotten to that, our QB did not slide on third down and easily made the first down. Mizzou calls TO and our coaches did not have the intelligence to challenge the play. Auburn QB was tripped from behind. (We then get stuffed on Fourth down.)
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:46 am to Bama Bird
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Ball fell out of his hand. That's always a fumble, regardless of where on the field it happens
So you’re taking the position it’s a fumble when a QB accidentally releases the ball on the forward motion of a pump fake and the ball travels forward?
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:53 am to Jon Ham
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A forward pass is a forward pass whether it’s a QB in the pocket or it’s a RB 20 yards down the field.
This is where you're wrong.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:54 am to IAmNERD
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This is where you're wrong.
Why? Are incomplete passes thrown by the QB after he crosses the LOS live balls?
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:55 am to Jon Ham
If his arm is moving forward it is incomplete. If a defensive lineman "accidentally" catches it in the air is it an interception or a fumble recovery?
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:57 am to Jon Ham
You are never going to get that call.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:58 am to Jon Ham
A pump fake implies the motion of throwing it, or at least pretending to throw it.
This was in no way an attempt to throw.
This was in no way an attempt to throw.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:00 am to Oilfieldbiology
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You’re takes on the QB are correct.
I see why you study mud
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:00 am to Jon Ham
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Are incomplete passes thrown by the QB after he crosses the LOS live balls?
You can't throw a pass beyond the LOS. You can lateral...backwards. If a team throws an illegal forward lateral (not pass, that's behind LOS) and the other team intercepts, it's the same as recovering a fumble. (Like what happened here) If the defense doesn't intercept or recover, and it goes forward, OOB or possessed by the offense, then a penalty for an illegal forward lateral is enforced from the spot of the foul.
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