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re: Best Running Back in SEC History?

Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:37 pm to
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:37 pm to
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If the defenses were good why did the teams have such bad records?


Because they weren't good teams. Back then, if you had a good run defense, you probably had a pretty good team.

#1 goal of every defense in the country, stop the run.

#1 goal of every offense in the country, establish the run.

This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 4:45 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:42 pm to
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I imagine any of the service academies.



Yep. And they threw less than Georgia. But Georgia passing attempts were pretty average. Like we keep trying to point out......it was a different era.

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Henry didn't do it. He rushed for 28 TDs. Did Herschel do it?
Actually Herschel scored 49 TD rushing and 4 passing TDs. He was good enough to play as a freshman and didn't have to sit behind better backs. On the other hand, They played a lot fewer games in 1980 than they did in 2015.

Henry played in 39 games in his career. Herschel played in 36.



Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:44 pm to
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If the defenses were good why did the teams have such bad records?



Who said the defense were good? As usual you are missing important points.

1. I said rushing defense
2. Clemson had a good defense this past season, and were still pretty lackluster. You don't think it is possible?
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 3:48 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:46 pm to
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#1 goal of every defense in the country, stop the run.

Yes. It was in 1980. Not nearly as much today. See the passing leaders in my post above.

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#2 goal of every offense in the country, establish the run.
Not so much today, but it was back then.

Thanks for proving my point.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 3:47 pm
Posted by mbogo
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:08 pm to
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Yep. And they threw less than Georgia. But Georgia passing attempts were pretty average. Like we keep trying to point out......it was a different era.


You asked when it happened and I answered.

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Actually Herschel scored 49 TD rushing and 4 passing TDs.


How many attempts did Walker have in those 36 games vs Henry in his 39?
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:26 pm to
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threw for 2,862 in his natty year. He would have to increase his passing yards per game by roughly 100 yards, not bloody likely.


It’s also less yardage, which proves my point.
Posted by Big Balls
Texas
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:32 pm to
OP trying to troll the "real SEC" by naming mostly "fringe SEC" players. Instead, starts a 30 something debate over Derrick Henry.

Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:47 pm to
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It’s also less yardage, which proves my point.



I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Your quote doesn't match what you are replying too.

At any rate, I find it a little odd that the so called "best RB in SEC history" played a total of 1 ranked SEC team in his entire 3 year career, played 6 total ranked teams and carried a .500 record against them.

Doesn't really sound like someone who played many tough teams to me. That's G5 type schedules.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 4:49 pm
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:50 pm to
He broke them.

Like Drago.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:51 pm to
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have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Your quote doesn't match what you are replying too.


This is the question you failed to answer:

Why do rbs gain less yards when the D brings up extra defenders to stop the run in short yardage?
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:52 pm to
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Why do rbs gain less yards when the D brings up extra defenders to stop the run in short yardage?


I answered it twice. You are either too dumb to understand the response, or you just don't want to accept it for some odd reason. It's a numbers game.

Why do you think the offense brings in extra blockers in short yard situations? Because it's a numbers game, duh.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 4:53 pm
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 4:57 pm to

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Why do you think the offense brings in extra blockers in short yard situations?


Do you accept the fact that rbs gain less yards in short yardage situations despite those extra blockers?
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 5:06 pm to
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Do you accept the fact that rbs gain less yards in short yardage situations despite those extra blockers?


You are once again taking a situation and painting it on a broad general sense.

Those play calls are calls that are usually designed to only get short yards. Are you under the impression that all run play calls are equal?

Going further, they are also often called when on the goal line, there isn't an abundance of yards to get.

However, if you called every play from their own 1 yard line giving them 99 yards of field, and you put the entire defense on the line like it's a short yardage situation, the same RB will have a higher YPC in 100 carries than they would against a defense that was playing normal defense.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 5:07 pm
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 5:11 pm to
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are once again taking a situation and painting it on a broad general sense.


It’s a simple yes or no question, and you still can’t do that. Don’t make this so hard.

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Are you under the impression that all run play calls are equal?


No, and that is my whole point.
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 5:17 pm to
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It’s a simple yes or no question, and you still can’t do that. Don’t make this so hard.



If it's a simple yes or no question, then it's because you lack the ability to examine the topic further, or only want to look at it in a narrow context to ignore facts you don't like.

Either way, it's your problem, not mine.

If you want to line them up on the 1 yard line, call the defense both ways, you'll see much higher YPC/Total yards over say 100 carries vs short yardage defenses. Putting more men in the box will leave it so every break away run is 99 yards, while not putting men in the box will stop most runs much shorter.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 5:20 pm
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 5:22 pm to
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it's a simple yes or no question, then it's because you lack the ability to examine the topic further, or only want to look at it in a narrow context to ignore facts you don't like.


What fact are you claiming I do not like?

This refusal to answer a simple question in simple terms for the sake of progressing the discussion is pathetic, but quite telling.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 5:23 pm to
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What fact are you claiming I do not like?

This refusal to answer a simple question in simple terms for the sake of progressing the discussion is pathetic, but quite telling.


Cool story.

Meanwhile, I explained it twice in detail beyond a yes or no and anyone who isn't trying to make excuses can read it.

Maybe your desire to see things in absolutes rather than in proper context explains your ignorance on the topic.

This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 5:25 pm
Posted by djsdawg
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 5:33 pm to
More details aren’t required for yes or no questions, and exceptions don’t prove the rule, which is a flaw you used while beating around the bush.

You seem to know packing In extra defenders and blockers reduces space and subsequently yards, but you can’t admit it.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 5:40 pm to
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More details aren’t required for yes or no questions, and exceptions don’t prove the rule, which is a flaw you used while beating around the bush.

You seem to know packing In extra defenders and blockers reduces space and subsequently yards, but you can’t admit it.



It's not a yes or no question.

And no, it will not reduce the RBs yards per carry, it would increase them as I pointed out. It's not why they do that in short yardage situations.

They do it not because it will reduce the RBs overall yards per carry, but because it gives them best odds that the result of the play will be in their favor.

If you do it over and over the way you are trying to generalize it too, then the RB is going to burn your arse for huge runs and a TD. You are confusing the odds a play will work in that situation with end game stats.

3rd time, and if you don't understand it by now, well just go ahead and keep it to yourself.
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 5:44 pm
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33191 posts
Posted on 6/2/22 at 5:53 pm to
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you do it over and over the way you are trying to generalize it too, then the RB is going to burn your arse for huge runs and a TD.


This is that where exception doesn’t prove the rule point comes in.

As pulpwood said:

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where you fist encounter contact and the physical stature of the tackler at point of contact absolutely impacts both yards after contact and yards per carry.


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The majority of runs over 10 yards in the NFL, irrespective of the back are against formations with 4 or more defensive backs.

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