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re: Old Recruiting Thread: RIP insiders
Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:04 pm to plaric
Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:04 pm to plaric
FEDS shut their NIL down
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Texas A&M has shut down the controversial 12 Man+ Fund after reviewing directives from the IRS. The fund, which attempted to bring name, image and likeness (NIL) collective efforts in-house, put the 501(c)(3) status of the 12th Man Foundation at risk.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:06 pm to MrAUTigers
There’s so much misinformation going around in this.
They didn’t shut their NIL down. They shutdown their collectives attempt to pay athletes directly for representing the collective itself.
It would be like OTV paying athletes for appearing in the OTV podcast. As far as I am aware, NIL money can only be awarded for representing non-collective businesses, such as a marketing ad for Guthrie’s or a commercial for Yellawood, etc.
If this shuts down the 12th Man Foundation, they’ll have a Gig Em Foundation up and running the very next day with the same amount of support that they were receiving beforehand.
They didn’t shut their NIL down. They shutdown their collectives attempt to pay athletes directly for representing the collective itself.
It would be like OTV paying athletes for appearing in the OTV podcast. As far as I am aware, NIL money can only be awarded for representing non-collective businesses, such as a marketing ad for Guthrie’s or a commercial for Yellawood, etc.
If this shuts down the 12th Man Foundation, they’ll have a Gig Em Foundation up and running the very next day with the same amount of support that they were receiving beforehand.
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:06 pm to TheJones
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Seeing Pink’s On3 prediction for Kam Franklin to AU now
Clemente with a CB now as well
Thanks guys, this is sooo sweet.
Seeing Pink’s On3 prediction for Kam Franklin to AU now
Clemente with a CB now as well
Thanks guys, this is sooo sweet.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:07 pm to MrAUTigers
They’ll just start a new entity and roll the funds into that. Based off that wording it sounds like they were funneling donations through a 501(c)(3) to get donors tax write offs.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:08 pm to AA7
quote:This was definitely also part of it, but the IRS has deemed that contributions to collectives will not be tax deductible.
They’ll just start a new entity and roll the funds into that. Based off that wording it sounds like they were funneling donations through a 501(c)(3) to get donors tax write offs.
So A&M pushed the limit and got their hand slapped. That’s literally the only takeaway from this.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:11 pm to Rig
I still say we go steal ever one of them we want.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:18 pm to MrAUTigers
There will be plenty of OL in the portal after the season. With the portal, transferring freely to another SEC school, and NIL money, there will be a lot of kids we recruited that are now buried in the depth chart at places like Georgia where they have them stacked like cordwood and still recruiting more.
No need to take a "reach" anymore with the portal.
We close on the aforementioned list wow.
No need to take a "reach" anymore with the portal.
We close on the aforementioned list wow.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:28 pm to trinidadtiger
Agree with all this. They shouldn’t waste a spot on a project OL when there are plenty about to hit the portal.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:40 pm to Rig
quote:This is interesting to me. Even if the contribution isn’t tax deductible I don’t know why the losses (payments to players) wouldn’t be and those losses could be deducted by the fund contributors.
This was definitely also part of it, but the IRS has deemed that contributions to collectives will not be tax deductible.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 7:53 pm to jvilletiger25
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This is exactly correct, I think 3-4 kids is the most Auburn will be taking every year on the OL.
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Agree with all this. They shouldn’t waste a spot on a project OL when there are plenty about to hit the portal.
This is exactly correct, I think 3-4 kids is the most Auburn will be taking every year on the OL.
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 8/11/23 at 4:37 am to smuphy72
I think I listed 3-4 kids. OL and QB are the 2 hardest positions to project from high school to college so even 5 stars are “projects”. And you can’t be dependent on 7-8 OL transfers in years 4 and 5.
We want to get to where we get 5-6 guys each year in the portal for bandaids not multiple players to have to build the program
We want to get to where we get 5-6 guys each year in the portal for bandaids not multiple players to have to build the program
This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 4:38 am
Posted on 8/11/23 at 8:59 am to ALhunter
quote:because they are not losses, they are expenditures. ie advertising expense
I don’t know why the losses (payments to players) wouldn’t be and those losses could be deducted by the fund contributors.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 10:49 am to trinidadtiger
Clemente sure seems to echo Cole a lot, and I like them both. I just can't stop noticing it now.
Cole: "Today's practice nuggets are LOADED"
10 minutes later
Clemente: "LOADED practice notes from today."
Cole: "I've seen enough, Kam to AU"
couple hours later
Clemente: "Made my CB for Kam to AU"
Cole: "Today's practice nuggets are LOADED"
10 minutes later
Clemente: "LOADED practice notes from today."
Cole: "I've seen enough, Kam to AU"
couple hours later
Clemente: "Made my CB for Kam to AU"
Posted on 8/11/23 at 10:59 am to TheJones
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Seeing Pink’s On3 prediction for Kam Franklin to AU now
How? Garner at Tenn wants him. Seems unpossible.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 11:04 am to CaptainBrannigan
Freeze/Garrett took them to school. LOL @ Garner out recruiting Freeze on a Mississippi kid.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 12:08 pm to metafour
Brannigan isnt a Garner fan for whatever reason.
Garner put a Dollar General assistant manager in the third round just this past draft.
Garner put a Dollar General assistant manager in the third round just this past draft.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 12:08 pm to ChexMix
quote:Advertising expenses are deductible... theoretically the fund contributions would be equity contributions into an operating fund/company. That company would generate very little revenue by selling autographs/appearances. Expenses would be accounting/operations/player payments.
because they are not losses, they are expenditures. ie advertising expense
The business would perpetually run at a loss. Each "owner" i.e. fund contributor would have a stake in the PnL of the business equal to his equity contribution. I don't see why those losses wouldn't be deductible.
If the collectives are structuring the NIL funds such that contributions are revenue to the business, that seems like an absurdly inefficient structure.
This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 8/11/23 at 12:46 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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How? Garner at Tenn wants him. Seems unpossible
We got more money available than they do.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:03 pm to ALhunter
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Advertising expenses are deductible... theoretically the fund contributions would be equity contributions into an operating fund/company. That company would generate very little revenue by selling autographs/appearances. Expenses would be accounting/operations/player payments. The business would perpetually run at a loss. Each "owner" i.e. fund contributor would have a stake in the PnL of the business equal to his equity contribution. I don't see why those losses wouldn't be deductible. If the collectives are structuring the NIL funds such that contributions are revenue to the business, that seems like an absurdly inefficient structure.
1. Giving every Joe Schmoe who donates equity isn’t realistic for a variety of reasons.
2. Running losses every year in a partnership will land you in the hobby loss rules
3. Collective takes in donations as revenue, then pays out everything it takes in to players or for operating expenses and essentially breaks even every year. No tax, none of the myriad of issues that issuing equity to randos creates.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:15 pm to Cocotheape
Kamarion Franklin will announce on the 19th per Pink
This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 1:19 pm
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