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Posted on 8/22/21 at 3:44 pm to metafour
Posted on 8/22/21 at 3:44 pm to metafour
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Really? Eradicating the flu was THAT easy? We just had to get everyone to re-use and improperly wear cloth masks and makeshift fabric t-shirts over their faces and the flu just disappeared? The same flu that yearly vaccination could only somewhat control LOL?
And people actually eat this shite up with a smile on their face. Literally zero appetite to question anything. Not one person has seemingly explained how as soon as COVID appeared, all of a sudden not only did virtually no one die from the flu, but in fact seemingly everyone somehow became IMMUNE to the flu .
Sorry, some of that is probably true.
And it doesn't take a medical expert to realize that the flue could have been low last year bc: 1. We were being forced to be 'stay in place', and not allowed to leave. 2. that most establishments(restaurants, bars, schools, etc) were either closed or limited, which is common sense for ways to limit the flu season since no one is out and about in most places where a lot of people congregate.
I guess, my question is, what's wrong with having a low flu season anyway?
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Posted on 8/22/21 at 4:01 pm to AuSteeler
Not sure the flu thing is a big mystery. While masking, distancing, sanitation theater, offices closing, churches closing, everyone carrying hand sanitizer for a few months ( 
), indoor everything basically closing, had mixed results with a highly contagious Covid virus it was extremely effective at preventing flu spread.
If anything, we’ve really only successfully limited the spread of a virus that we weren’t particularly interested in controlling in the first place.
), indoor everything basically closing, had mixed results with a highly contagious Covid virus it was extremely effective at preventing flu spread. If anything, we’ve really only successfully limited the spread of a virus that we weren’t particularly interested in controlling in the first place.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 4:09 pm to AuSteeler
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Sorry, some of that is probably true.
Yeah, "some" of it is true. But lets now consider that the vast majority of people don't even wear masks properly. They reuse masks that are literally only as effective as they are replaced (and people wear those things for weeks at a time, constantly touching them). They wear improperly fitting masks. They wear masks made out of material that no one with a brain would consider to be effective in stopping a virus from passing through.
Despite all that, the stats on influenza post-COVID suggest a virtual MIRACLE in terms of reduction. We're talking beyond-the-realm-of-possibility decline. Again, this is for a virus that yearly vaccination has a ~40-60% success rate of prevention against. But yeah, your Star Wars cloth mask and "social distancing" just made it vanish out of existence LMAO.
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I guess, my question is, what's wrong with having a low flu season anyway?
It isn't a "low flu season", its almost as if the flu just took a year off. There is nothing wrong with that - but use some critical thinking here: we are NOW finding out that the PCR tests that we were relying on for COVID testing maybe, kinda, isn't very accurate. Not only that, but it maybe, kinda, isn't even too good in distinguishing between COVID, the influenza virus, and the common cold virus. So now put the puzzle pieces together: did the flu just miraculously disappear, or did flu cases get misinterpreted as COVID cases? Which of those scenarios seems more probable? Again, we're talking about a test that was also so shite in terms of spitting out outright false-positives. The CDC is literally trying to silently tip-toe around the fact that they're changing testing guidelines, which in fact puts a complete curtain of skepticism on the validity of COVID numbers and data over the past ~1.5 years.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 4:22 pm to TheJones
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Not sure the flu thing is a big mystery. While masking, distancing, sanitation theater, offices closing, churches closing, everyone carrying hand sanitizer for a few months ( ), indoor everything basically closing, had mixed results with a highly contagious Covid virus it was extremely effective at preventing flu spread.
If anything, we’ve really only successfully limited the spread of a virus that we weren’t particularly interested in controlling in the first place.
Sorry bud, but this is pure conjecture. It is a total guess that COVID measures just so happened to "by accident" eradicate the flu. It's actually an incredibly convenient guess at that.
I can just as easily point out that ~1.5 years of the vast majority of the population barely even seeing sunlight (Vitamin D deficiency) would NEGATE any benefits of "isolation" and hand-sanitizer. How about the obvious reality that people are less healthy with lowered immune systems? Your immune system depends on contact with viruses: don't use it, you lose it. This makes you MORE prone to viruses like the flu, not less. Hence why children who grow up under helicopter-parents end up getting sick more often than the kid who's touching everything and barely washing their hands. How about the fact that physical activity and exercise was essentially halted?
I don't buy for one second that hand sanitizer usage, cloth masks, and isolation outweigh the cataclysmic failure of NATURAL immune system upkeep. Social-distancing also meant that entire families were cooped up inside rooms 24/7 - this is literally the perfect environment for the flu. Or are we going to pretend that a families of 4, 5 members were wearing masks and distancing within their homes as well?
This post was edited on 8/22/21 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 8/22/21 at 4:28 pm to metafour
I’m just pointing out that we stopped a virus we weren’t trying to stop. Which is why the measures put into place were a failure for COVID. I’m not really interested in arguing about the flu with anyone, I’m sure someone here is, though
Nobody here is qualified to talk they way they do about most of the things they’re trying to discuss. But that’s the beauty of this website
Nobody here is qualified to talk they way they do about most of the things they’re trying to discuss. But that’s the beauty of this website
Posted on 8/22/21 at 5:02 pm to metafour
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Social-distancing also meant that entire families were cooped up inside rooms 24/7 - this is literally the perfect environment for the flu. Or are we going to pretend that a families of 4, 5 members were wearing masks and distancing within their homes as well?
serious question.........how is being "cooped up in a room", with other people who have been "cooped up in the same room", the perfect environment for getting the flu?
Posted on 8/22/21 at 5:22 pm to MrAUTigers
quote:So how many of the COVID deaths were really Influenza? IE: Did we test all the dead for COVID postmortem?
perfect environment for getting the flu
And on the other hand it's not as if everyone with a temp and sore throat ran out for a test. So are these big numbers too small? extrapolated? inflated?
I ask because it seems like there's a lot of numbers being casually thrown around. After all poor America had to pay for those tests unlike the shot. And if you went for test an failed what percentage had something else because you went for reason? And how many of these influenza that we didn't care to tally? Because the flu didn't just miraculously vanish because a bad cousin showed up for dinner.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 5:25 pm to MrAUTigers
quote:FIFA...
serious question.........how is being "cooped up in a room", with other people who have been "cooped up in the same room", the perfect environment for getting the Rona?
Posted on 8/22/21 at 5:27 pm to 88TIger
quote:on boy !!!
FIFA...
we back to feetsball
Posted on 8/22/21 at 5:52 pm to TheJones
quote:We didnt stop anything. We just reclassified everything as Covid
I’m just pointing out that we stopped a virus we weren’t trying to stop
Posted on 8/22/21 at 5:56 pm to awestruck
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So how many of the COVID deaths were really Influenza? IE: Did we test all the dead for COVID postmortem?
maybe some?
from 2018-2019 a little over 34K died from the flu.
over 600K have died from covid.
Take a few thousand away from one and add them to the other........does it really make that big of a difference?
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CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season.
LINK
Posted on 8/22/21 at 6:33 pm to MrAUTigers
Not doubting that.. nor the veracity of one over the other. Rather questioning the percentage of fatalities. Because as a nation I don't care how many have a running nose.
And because it's the ratio that cease to blow, that shuts down down the economy, and get the mad-mothers demanding what they shouldn't. Big number don't scare me as long as it's a small percentage of the herd that succumbs to the inevitable.
And because it's the ratio that cease to blow, that shuts down down the economy, and get the mad-mothers demanding what they shouldn't. Big number don't scare me as long as it's a small percentage of the herd that succumbs to the inevitable.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 6:38 pm to MrAUTigers
There seems to be a huge disconnect as to what is actually happening in the hospital and what the public believes.
I am an anesthesiologist is Eugene OR where the vaccination rate is pretty high and we are still at a critical level as far as staffing and ICU patients. Our group is having to staff over flow ICU patients in the recovery room. Currently we are +16 patients and we are asked to staff 24 patients by the end of the week. That is 24 ICU patients above what the hospital normally staffs.
Contrary to popular opinion these are not just old people or unhealthy obese patients but predominantly previously healthy people under the age of 60 (many 25-50).
The numbers from our hospital/ lane county OR are about 94% of the admissions since April 1,2001 have been unvaccinated. Only 3% of hospitalized are fully vaccinated with partially vaccinated making up the rest.
Elective inpatient surgeries have all been put on hold. The ER’s are completely full as are the ICU. Only one cardiac bypass case can be done per day.
I say this not to scare anyone but to let people know what the reality is in my area and can only assume it is worse in areas that are less vaccinated.
Please consider vaccination if unvaccinated as the healthcare system is at critical capacity and affecting everyone with the drain of resources.
I am an anesthesiologist is Eugene OR where the vaccination rate is pretty high and we are still at a critical level as far as staffing and ICU patients. Our group is having to staff over flow ICU patients in the recovery room. Currently we are +16 patients and we are asked to staff 24 patients by the end of the week. That is 24 ICU patients above what the hospital normally staffs.
Contrary to popular opinion these are not just old people or unhealthy obese patients but predominantly previously healthy people under the age of 60 (many 25-50).
The numbers from our hospital/ lane county OR are about 94% of the admissions since April 1,2001 have been unvaccinated. Only 3% of hospitalized are fully vaccinated with partially vaccinated making up the rest.
Elective inpatient surgeries have all been put on hold. The ER’s are completely full as are the ICU. Only one cardiac bypass case can be done per day.
I say this not to scare anyone but to let people know what the reality is in my area and can only assume it is worse in areas that are less vaccinated.
Please consider vaccination if unvaccinated as the healthcare system is at critical capacity and affecting everyone with the drain of resources.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 6:44 pm to awestruck
It's true, AU fans could f*ck up a wet dream. Less than two weeks from kickoff and y'all are screaming about this. Jeez, it's all emotional women.
I'm pre-planning opening day. Golf with son, ribs, Busch Lights, maybe some dip recipe I found on the internet. Lady Fortuna doth handed us a late game on a platter. I will be enjoying!
Slow piano music......something, something, vaxi, hero, mask, ICU, cat & blond chick meme.
I'm pre-planning opening day. Golf with son, ribs, Busch Lights, maybe some dip recipe I found on the internet. Lady Fortuna doth handed us a late game on a platter. I will be enjoying!
Slow piano music......something, something, vaxi, hero, mask, ICU, cat & blond chick meme.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 6:49 pm to awestruck
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During the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic in Mexico, doctors prescribed ailing patients to drink a mixture of tequila, lime, and salt as a remedy, therefore making tequila a medicinal spirit. Tequila is made from 100% agave, which is known to help reduce bacteria and relieve sore throats. Pair this with a powerhouse Vitamin C carrier such as freshly squeezed lime juice, and you might be able to say goodbye to those gargles and throat sweets in no time! Or for those feeling feverish and restless, Tequila can be used in a hot beverage with lemon and honey to help relax the body and rid it of toxins.
The 1918 flu pandemic killed 1 to 3 percent of the world's population, some 20 to 50 million people. If not for tequila, the human species would have gone extinct before we had a chance to really frick up the planet!
It is science. And I believe in it 100%.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 6:51 pm to TheJones
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Nobody here is qualified to talk the way they do about most of the things they’re trying to discuss.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 8:17 pm to MrAUTigers
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CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season.
That was a bad year for the flu. It was a long flu season.. My wife would take the ventilator off one patient, clean it, then put it on a new patient. Nearly worst than Swine Flu of 2009.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 8:19 pm to MrAUTigers
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serious question.........how is being "cooped up in a room", with other people who have been "cooped up in the same room", the perfect environment for getting the flu?
Go on a cruise and let us know.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 8:39 pm to TheJones
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I’m just pointing out that we stopped a virus we weren’t trying to stop
Eh, maybe, maybe not. Flu testing is at an pretty all time low and cases anyways are basically just estimates, not based on any true testing numbers. So yea, with that taken into account, we have no idea.
Our flu numbers yearly are so absurdly inaccurate, we really have no idea.
This post was edited on 8/22/21 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 8/22/21 at 8:44 pm to awestruck
Studies show the covid shot takers are spreading the virus as much as the non covid shot takers.
They need to create a drug that reduces transmission.
They need to create a drug that reduces transmission.
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