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re: The Agiye Hall tweet mentioned by 1BamaRTR

Posted on 10/17/21 at 8:51 am to
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
12447 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 8:51 am to
If Hall is mad then I wonder how the young ILBers feel with #35 and #42 taking the late game minutes. Nick has a plan he sticks with and has for years.

Bama just might have a few leave after this season. It happens. The incoming player pool for everybody is just going to become more difficult to manage by the programs. The easy button crowd with a cell.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15829 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 9:04 am to
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Not always the case as we saw with Kamara. Yes he had a bad attitude after being injured but IIRC he was slated for a starter going into the season before being injured.

He seems to be doing ok.



Read my first post on the topic. He is doing well but did he do better than the guy he couldn’t beat out?

Just as a reminder that guy was Derrick Henry. Would you have sat Henry to play Kamara?
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15829 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 9:11 am to
quote:

More than 2,500 FBS players have entered the NCAA transfer portal since last August, all of them looking for more opportunity, a new home, a fresh start.


Many of them don’t find places to go either.

I should have been clearer and said the game hasn’t changed at Bama. Other programs don’t have the proven history of developing players and winning titles. It is obvious why guys would want to come here. On the other hand young guys that chase instant gratification will regret it because that same portal they took will provide a guy that appreciates the opportunity to grow and win.
Posted by Panthers4life
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2017
4657 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 9:55 am to
It's not just him. Baker and Hall have immaturity issue right now.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
27748 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 10:43 am to
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That's the problem... they're told they have a chance to win a job, and if they are the best player they will play... clearly he feels like that's not true for whatever reason, and after watching the starting wrs this year its hard to understand how he hasn't been given an opportunity after being called "one of our best playmakers" by CNS on a hot mike during ADay. He was the no.1 wr on espn in the country


I think Saban made abundantly clear why he isn't playing, if you just listen to him:

""He’s got a lot of talent and a lot of ability. I think consistency in performance, making good choices and decisions on a day-to-day basis to do the right things, whether it’s on the field, off the field, in academics, whatever it is, aight, because those things really prove dependability.

"And we try to get our guys to understand that dependability is really important in their life for them to be successful, as well as in school for them to be successful, as well as in football to be successful."

LINK

At no point has Saban ever implied that the best player will play if he isn't taking care of his shite off the field and in the classroom.

These guys have all been given an incredible opportunity. They have the opportunity to become millionaires and never have to work another day in their lives if they don't want to once they reach 30 years old. Many of them understand that, and occasionally one or two don't.

It's not complicated. Take care of ALL your shite, ON AND OFF the field, and especially in the classroom.

Hard to understand why he "hasn't been given an opportunity"??? No, it's actually pretty fricking easy to understand.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
27748 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 10:47 am to
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Not saying he's right or wrong but he should be getting more time.


If he isn't taking care of his shite on and off the field, as Saban implied, he shouldn't get one fricking snap.

Saban and the staff have a helluva lot more information than we do. Maybe he hasn't been going to class. Maybe he's been late or missing meetings. Whatever it is, Saban clearly implied that he isn't dependable.

This isn't complicated. If you aren't taking care of your business off the field, you should never expect to play a snap. Period.

This post was edited on 10/17/21 at 10:48 am
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
27748 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 10:53 am to
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The ironic part (maybe the wrong word) is that firing off that kind of tweet is just one indication that Hall isn't ready and makes it harder to get him more playing time.


This, all day long.

Saban's comments made it pretty clear that there are off-the-field issues.

Putting up with shite like Saban alluded to is how you end up with a cancer like DJ Hall on your roster as a senior. Some of these posters talk like they're 28 years old and never saw that.

It's really simple. Buy in, all the way in, take care of your shite on and off the field, or get the frick out.
This post was edited on 10/17/21 at 10:56 am
Posted by GAFF
Georgia
Member since Aug 2010
2604 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 11:22 am to
It’s been crazy watching this fan base during this dynasty. Majority have done a complete 180. I don’t know if it’s because younger fans are taking interest and don’t truly know how bad the dark days were or what. I just remember a time (circa 2012 I think) when the thought was if you didn’t want to compete and do what you had to do then you could gtfo. NOTHING was above the team and the process. I remember some playmakers making their exit during this time too. Sounds like the players aren’t the only ones who need a wake up call.
This post was edited on 10/17/21 at 11:44 am
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22228 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 11:35 am to
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Sounds like the players aren’t the only ones who need a wake call.


The post Saban years are going to be an eye-opener for a lot of people. I suspect most of the youngster fans will abandon ship.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
12447 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 11:41 am to
My 1st Bama game was 1959 with Bama vs Memphis State so this old guy has pretty much seen it all. Hell I thought 69 and 70 were bad until The Clapper got the job (Dubose).

Nick will be done in 3 years counting this year.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
12392 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 11:46 am to
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He is doing well but did he do better than the guy he couldn’t beat out?


He did beat him out and why is was slated to start over Henry prior to the injury.

quote:

Just as a reminder that guy was Derrick Henry. Would you have sat Henry to play Kamara?


It does not matter what I would do and at the time Kamara was the starter and Henry was not prior to the injury. So the coaches decided on Kamara over Henry so who knows what would have happened if not for the injury.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
12392 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 11:49 am to
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Bama just might have a few leave after this season. It happens. The incoming player pool for everybody is just going to become more difficult to manage by the programs.


One of the reasons Saban has been so successful. No one can manage a roster better than Saban.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
12392 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 11:52 am to
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The post Saban years are going to be an eye-opener for a lot of people. I suspect most of the youngster fans will abandon ship.


We see it now while Saban is still the HC and we are still a contender. The expectations by many in this fan base are unrealistic.

What Saban has done will never be repeated at any program.

But I will still be here and hope for the best.
Posted by Joka2kold
Member since Nov 2019
5879 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 12:07 pm to
The transfer portal works both ways!
Posted by MagillaGuerilla
Nick Fairley Fan Club, Founder
Member since Nov 2009
35671 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 12:49 pm to
Can Hall free up a spot for Boutte
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 12:58 pm to
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We cant lose talent like Hall when hes probably right. Elite talent



One player doesn't make or break the team/program. Saban doesn't let someone's talent preclude them from fully buying in before seeing meaningful time - its a foundational element of why he has been so successful.
This post was edited on 10/17/21 at 12:59 pm
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
17873 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 1:59 pm to
One player doesn't make or break a team but acting high and mighty as if these teenagers can't be disappointed or lash out in dissatisfaction is BS.

One player doesn't make or break a team but had Derrick Henry left after being disappointed and wanting out after his freshman season we would have missed out on greatness.

Sometimes understanding is better than rash decisions (leaving prematurely due to lack of play time or being angry at a kid and telling them to "leave" as if you have that right lol).
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 2:05 pm to
I completely agree, I want him to buy in and succeed. I remember a lot of the great bama players struggling with this same thing after missing out on some playing time, Najee, Tua, Henry and many others have alluded to it at one point or the other.

I just hope he has the right people talking to him and realizes the opportunity Bama can offer. A couple rash and quickly deleted tweets are stirring up a lot of shite (likely getting a little blown out of proportion to some degree because that is what social media does)

Saban seemed to indicate he was on the right path a couple weeks ago and sounded hopeful he would start contributing more. I'm not sure if that has changed or not but I hope to see him take a big step foreword late season or post season as we have seen many freshmen do in year's prior.
This post was edited on 10/17/21 at 2:08 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 2:35 pm to
Which Alabama true freshmen played at Mississippi State (BOL)


quote:

84 AGIYE HALL, WR -- Hall entered the game at wide receiver in the fourth quarter. He did not record any stats.
This post was edited on 10/17/21 at 2:52 pm
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
15263 posts
Posted on 10/17/21 at 3:15 pm to
Tough for him. I don’t know why any Bama fans would worry about this when he can’t get on the field despite us having our weakest WR tandem in about four or five years.
This post was edited on 10/17/21 at 3:16 pm
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