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re: Ranking The RBs In The Saban Era
Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:03 pm to CrimsonClover
Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:03 pm to CrimsonClover
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This is a discussion about who was the best.
That’s still really not a clear definition. If we’re talking about the best college RB’s (which is the only thing that should matter) Kamara isn’t on the list. If you’re talking about NFL success or the most “talented” I can see it. But that shite doesn’t really matter.
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Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:22 pm to OldPete
Eddie Lacy is painfully underrated here.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 12:27 am to CrimsonClover
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9. Trent Richardson
He ain't #1. But he sure as shite ain't #9. WTF is wrong with you?!?
Posted on 6/5/21 at 12:28 am to CrimsonClover
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2. Alvin Kamara
Ok I get it.
@#$% you troll.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 8:34 pm to Grievous Angel
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He ain't #1. But he sure as shite ain't #9.
Yeah people have their NFL blinders on when they talk about T Rich. Dude was one of the most dominant college backs of recent history. We only relied more on Mark and Henry than we did him.
Posted on 6/6/21 at 6:51 am to CrimsonClover
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This is a ranking list based on how good they were
Were would imply past tense, as how good they were in college. Kamara was never good at UA since he never played a down at UA. Not sure how he could even be in this conversation.
Posted on 6/6/21 at 7:45 am to Fells
I love Henry & Mark but lets be real...Trent was a different type sandwich dawg in COLLEGE!
Posted on 6/6/21 at 10:40 am to Joka2kold
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lets be real...Trent was a different type sandwich dawg in COLLEGE!
Based on what? The highly subjective “eye test”? Henry had a worse OL and he faced FAR better defenses. I think Ingram also faced better defenses in 2009 then Richardson did in 2011, and I’d argue the 2011 OL was also better.
Posted on 6/6/21 at 1:37 pm to 1BamaRTR
Tbh the T Richardson bust story is just bizarre, and hard to explain
How good was he? It’s hard to say considering he dominated in college and completely flopped in the pros
This post was edited on 6/6/21 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 6/6/21 at 2:06 pm to CrimsonClover
I don't think anyone saw it coming. If someone told me before the draft he would disappoint in the pros, I would've thought he would be at least an average RB not as bad as he was. He was such dominant runner in college, I just don't know how he failed so badly in the NFL.
Posted on 6/6/21 at 6:00 pm to 1BamaRTR
He had a good rookie season then went to hell
Posted on 6/6/21 at 8:29 pm to 1BamaRTR
Trent Richardson should have won the heisman as well! Some people just hate shoot TEAMS was TERRIFIED of Trent! Trent use to get hit in the backfield or at the line of scrimmage and he would just carry people like they were babies! He was INSANE in college!
Posted on 6/6/21 at 8:37 pm to 1BamaRTR
I don't judge what line was the best but I do know this...Teams stacked the box on TRENT almost every game!
Posted on 6/6/21 at 8:56 pm to 1BamaRTR
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I don't think anyone saw it coming. If someone told me before the draft he would disappoint in the pros, I would've thought he would be at least an average RB not as bad as he was. He was such dominant runner in college, I just don't know how he failed so badly in the NFL.
It is mind blowing that he had such a bad career. Her's my best guess; while he was at Bama we were running a power blocking scheme. A massive oversimplification is the running back hitting a predetermined hole as the play is drawn up or as the o-line calls a shift in blocking pre-snap. His first year in Cleveland, they ran a power blocking scheme and he did well.
They changed to a zone blocking scheme year two. Again, a massive oversimplification, but flow with the o-line, cut back and hit the lane when it opens. He's not that type of runner, he never had great vision, but great power and speed, and did very poorly that year. What happens next? He gets traded to another team that uses a zone blocking scheme and his poor play continues. He was a bad fit and never did well in Indy.
By that point he's become so marginalized and in a league where running backs are probably the least valued asset on a team, that no one was going to bother giving him a 3rd or 4th chance, gotta keep getting younger. That's my best guess of what happened; could be 100 other things as well.
Posted on 6/6/21 at 9:00 pm to Joka2kold
I feel pretty certain Henry and Ingram faced more or at least a similar amount of stacked boxes.
Henry because it was clear at some point how much a massive of threat and focal point he was for Bama. He was getting 25-35 touches per game.
Ingram because McElroy struggled at many points during the season. You remember the USC game in which it was just him running the wildcat but yet he stilled kept getting yards? USC knew it was going to Ingram directly on every play but couldn’t stop it.
Henry because it was clear at some point how much a massive of threat and focal point he was for Bama. He was getting 25-35 touches per game.
Ingram because McElroy struggled at many points during the season. You remember the USC game in which it was just him running the wildcat but yet he stilled kept getting yards? USC knew it was going to Ingram directly on every play but couldn’t stop it.
Posted on 6/6/21 at 9:16 pm to 1BamaRTR
I remember the Ingram vs SC game but Henry had some wide receivers to help him if in not mistaken! I'm mostly just going off memory though. I like all three but to me its Trent! Its just like if you ask me who was the best cover corner under Saban. My answer would be D-MIL and its not even close
Posted on 6/6/21 at 9:48 pm to Joka2kold
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but Henry had some wide receivers to help him if in not mistaken!
Henry still was the focal point of that offense. He had several games in which he had more carries then Coker had passing attempts which is crazy for modern offenses. Doesn’t matter if had better receivers, it was clear to any opposing DC that Bama’s game playcalling featured a massive dose of Henry. And while Coker played better in the 2nd half of the season, it’s not like he was putting up Tua or Mac’s volume of numbers. Henry carry volume actually went up even more during that time.
Long story short, Henry faced stacked boxes a lot. If you want to use the supporting cast of receivers to say Henry had more help there, I once again will bring up that Henry had a worse OL, MUCH better opposing rushing defenses he faced, and was asked to to a lot more.
Posted on 6/6/21 at 10:08 pm to 1BamaRTR
What defense was good then? Like I know the LSU defense was crazy good in 2011!
Posted on 6/6/21 at 10:13 pm to 1BamaRTR
Henry has been the best at every level he’s played. He’s not talked about enough honestly. He set Florida high school records, he set SEC records, and he rushed for 2000 in the NFL. He’s the best pure running back in Bama history bottom line.
I think in today’s game though, the running back position is more suited for a guy like Najee because of how important the pass game is. Henry will never win a title unless the Titans can throw the ball in the postseason. He’s simply spent by that point in the season.
I think in today’s game though, the running back position is more suited for a guy like Najee because of how important the pass game is. Henry will never win a title unless the Titans can throw the ball in the postseason. He’s simply spent by that point in the season.
Posted on 6/6/21 at 10:31 pm to Joka2kold
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What defense was good then? Like I know the LSU defense was crazy good in 2011!
You realize you can easily look this up right?
LSU’s defense was really good but they were the 5th ranked rushing defense. And they were the ONLY top 25 rushing defense Richardson faced all season. He faced 5 top 50 rushing defenses. Henry faced the 4th ranked rushing defense in Wisconsin, and overall played against SEVEN top 25 rushing defenses and nine top 50.
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