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Posted on 9/11/23 at 8:16 am to Feral
Posted on 9/11/23 at 8:16 am to Feral
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During Nutt era, we all thought our ceiling was higher than that as a program. Petrino proved that to be correct.
However, what we didn’t know was that our floor was much lower than we thought it was, as Bert and Chad proved.
Amen. Now Pittman isn't the second coming of Bear Bryant but he hasn't been an absolute bottom dweller like Chad.
So far he's done exactly what we hired him to do. Turn the team around, rebuild the talent, and get us a little momentum going into whoever the next coach will be.
Sure, we all wish we looked a lot better, but not that long ago we would have lost to Kent State. We weren't whipped by Texas and we didn't have a team come within a hair of hanging half a hundred on us. Other folks had much worse weeks than we did. Speaking of which, pardon me while I go bask in the Bama misery some more.
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:00 am to Arksulli
I haven't had time to respond but here is my take on the running game woes:
1. O Line has not moved the LOS much at all.
2. Our backs look slow and don't seem to be running to daylight.
3. We seem to base a lot of what we do on the premise of run reads for the QB and I know they are trying to not run KJ any more than they have to in non-conference games.
Regardless, I don't think it's all on the OL. Backs haven't looked great so far. They look bulky and slow.
1. O Line has not moved the LOS much at all.
2. Our backs look slow and don't seem to be running to daylight.
3. We seem to base a lot of what we do on the premise of run reads for the QB and I know they are trying to not run KJ any more than they have to in non-conference games.
Regardless, I don't think it's all on the OL. Backs haven't looked great so far. They look bulky and slow.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:51 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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I think it’s a little premature to be talking about new coaches guys at the end of the day we are 2-0
Yeah the sky isn’t falling for me yet, I never wanted Pittman though. I don’t think we will be getting rid of him until next year at the earliest but he is a Nutt style guy and will divide the fan base is what I’m saying. Then the Springdale Crew will try to bring back Gus for the 8th time, he will get a big raise wherever he is. Then we will go with BLj because Yuracheck will interview a lot of people but no one who loves them Hogs like Barry. Willing to take a pay cut and everything.
However we are 2-0 and I would settle for a competent line, I doubt that happens because good guy Sam doesn’t seem to light up his Offensive Line coach. Seems content with taking Chicken shite and trying to make chicken salad if you see the recruiting numbers.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:56 am to ElDawgHawg
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1. O Line has not moved the LOS much at all.
2. Our backs look slow and don't seem to be running to daylight.
3. We seem to base a lot of what we do on the premise of run reads for the QB and I know they are trying to not run KJ any more than they have to in non-conference games.
1. Yes our line is terrible and Sam seems to not want to address it, at least in his press conferences then gets pissy that $6M means he will get hard questions.
2. What are you gonna do cut skin off them? They all look to have exactly what my problem has been for 10 years, they dance before hitting the hole or shuffle sideways thinking let’s not take a hit and get tackled after running 10 yards back or sideways.
3. I don’t think they are called runs, I believe KJ is just not a great QB, he is a freak athlete that will end up playing Tight End in the NFL.
This post was edited on 9/11/23 at 9:58 am
Posted on 9/11/23 at 10:41 am to FayetteNAM
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3. I don’t think they are called runs, I believe KJ is just not a great QB, he is a freak athlete that will end up playing Tight End in the NFL.
So KJ won't win the Heisman
Posted on 9/11/23 at 10:59 am to Feral
Nutt averaged 7 wins a year. That is the definition of average.
What frustrated fans with Nutt was not winning an SEC title with the best running backs in SEC history from 05-07.
Nutt lost 20 games decided by 7 points or less. I have believed that he didn't coach to his potential and would average 8 wins a year had he put in more effort. Winning more of those close losses, had he worked harder on bringing in a modern offense. That bump in average would have won him an SEC title and fans would view him more positively.
What frustrated fans with Nutt was not winning an SEC title with the best running backs in SEC history from 05-07.
Nutt lost 20 games decided by 7 points or less. I have believed that he didn't coach to his potential and would average 8 wins a year had he put in more effort. Winning more of those close losses, had he worked harder on bringing in a modern offense. That bump in average would have won him an SEC title and fans would view him more positively.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 10:59 am to FayetteNAM
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he is a Nutt style guy and will divide the fan base is what I’m saying
I understand that some are annoyed at the press conference which I can agree with but did Nutt ever take alot of reasonable for poor performances in games we won? Maybe he did and I was too young or didn't pay attention as much back then.
It doesn't excuse not having the team ready but in the post game interview Pittman was fairly hard on himself saying the team wasn't ready and that was his fault. He said it more than once. It doesn't seem like he is the guy to point fingers at others and split a fan base. I think we tend to do that ourselves fairly well.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:09 am to ArHog
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So KJ won't win the Heisman
According to half our fan base, he should.
I think half of his runs are designed to be throws, but he takes off instead of sitting in the pocket. This helped hide how bad our line has sucked the past few years.
And every year I say he will be a tight end because of his freakish athleticism and size, everyone flips out and downvotes. But Franks was a better passer on every route but the go deep balls and he is a tight end.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:12 am to dchog
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Nutt lost 20 games decided by 7 points or less.
Isn’t that Bert and now Pittman?
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:13 am to rockiee
Nutt was goofy and humble in his early years of his press conferences.
Now from 05-07, his personality changed.
That probably had to do with him getting back to back mulligans and he felt invincible.
Now from 05-07, his personality changed.
That probably had to do with him getting back to back mulligans and he felt invincible.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:14 am to rockiee
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It doesn't excuse not having the team ready but in the post game interview Pittman was fairly hard on himself saying the team wasn't ready and that was his fault. He said it more than once.
Which endears him to our fans… also why I said he will divide our fans if it comes to a horrific exit and it will because no one retires while making $6m+.
If he continues with the aww shucks, I’m just a good ol boy that enjoys a cole beer…. People will want him around forever. He could go 2-10 for 3 years and everyone would say well he didn’t get his players in. Or can you believe how terrible his assistants are at recruiting?
This post was edited on 9/11/23 at 11:16 am
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:17 am to dchog
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Nutt was goofy and humble in his early years of his press conferences.
He was the aww shucks, I just like being around my men and playing them new nintendos… until he started getting really paid then it was I’m gonna tag team a news anchor with my brother.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:18 am to Feral
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Biddy ended the exchange by saying “you don’t really see many teams do that” to which Pittman curtly said “okay.”
This is the second game. They are always 'auditioning' (not really a football term). They are still looking for their best 5. Can't figure that out without throwing players out there. Also helps guys get some more experience, which will help down the line.
I started the season concerned about the O line, because of the relative lack of experience overall. They will settle on 5 soon .
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:19 am to FayetteNAM
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He could go 2-10 for 3 years and everyone would say well he didn’t get his players in. Or can you believe how terrible his assistants are at recruiting?
I mean do you truly believe this?
No way to prove what would happen because we won't go 2-10 for 3 years. I think a fair and interesting point would be three straight years at 6 wins, people will forgive alot if they like you but our fans are not going to forgive three seasons of under .500 football no matter how much of a good guy he appears.
This post was edited on 9/11/23 at 11:22 am
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:31 am to FayetteNAM
Sam isn't Nutt who has a narcissistic personality that would try to get even with the fans.
Sam probably knows he a few years left and he will probably retire and not fight like Nutt did.
Sam probably knows he a few years left and he will probably retire and not fight like Nutt did.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:42 am to FayetteNAM
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If he continues with the aww shucks, I’m just a good ol boy that enjoys a cole beer…. People will want him around forever. He could go 2-10 for 3 years and everyone would say well he didn’t get his players in. Or can you believe how terrible his assistants are at recruiting?
I guess I'm guzzling the kool-aid, but I think Pittman will retire if he sees that he is just not able to get the job done. I think he loves Arkansas and the program as much as any of us do.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:43 am to rockiee
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I mean do you truly believe this?
I do. Because half of people are dumb.
They would cut their nose off to spite their face. So yes, there will be guys saying he needs more time, QB X left and they just haven’t had enough Arkansas talent to replace him.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:52 am to FayetteNAM
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So yes, there will be guys saying he needs more time
I'm not saying there are not people like that but your initial claim was a bigger group than that and why I pushed back a little.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 12:35 pm to FayetteNAM
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Yes our line is terrible and Sam seems to not want to address it,
I'm sure he is addressing it.
We only have two OL who have appreciable experience, three if you count Braun.
I'm certain the OL will improve.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 12:42 pm to WonderWartHawg
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This is the second game. They are always 'auditioning' (not really a football term). They are still looking for their best 5. Can't figure that out without throwing players out there. Also helps guys get some more experience, which will help down the line.
The only time I really saw Pittman get a little pissy was when he was asked again later in the PC about rotating offensive linemen, and he gave a "this is as real as I can be with you" type of answer.
His answer was basically "guys, look, most teams throughout the country rotate their offensive linemen in the early games of the season and then figure out who their starting 5 are."
He also said that practice is practice but you don't know what you really have and who really deserves reps over another guy until you have game film and see them against opposing defenses, which is true.
I could be wrong, but I didn't take his answers as a red flag or his demeanor as overly defensive. It sounded to me like he got a little pissed at Biddy for his comment about how "other teams don't do that," which Pittman basically disagreed with later on per the above. It's one thing to question a coach, but it's another to come off as valedictory, which Biddy did in that instance.
The long and short of it is that I thought that Biddy's original question was justified, Pittman answered it in a roundabout way, and then Biddy's ensuing comment pissed him off.
This post was edited on 9/11/23 at 12:48 pm
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