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re: Assuming that Jalen is QB1 going into this season, how do you help him?
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:40 pm to Teague
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:40 pm to Teague
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This is SO overblown.
I don't have a dog in this fight; DeBoer is an offensive guy and has had success in that area everywhere he's been so I'll trust him to pick the right guy...
But the bad snaps last year were not overblown. They were real and they popped up from the first game to the last; very costly in some instances, not so much in others, but they happened. After the Rose Bowl, even Saban mentioned the snapping issues had been a problem all season...
Here are just a few links relating to it:
Snapping Issues after the first couple of games:
Costly Snaps First 2 Weeks
Many Bad Snaps in Loss to Texas
Snapping Issues after the Rose Bowl:
Bad Snaps Stifle Bama in Rose Bowl Loss
Same Issue Plagued Alabama Offense Entire Rose Bowl
Saban Says Huge Issue Led to Horrific Final Snap
Snapping Issues the Entire Season:
McLaughlin has No Answers for Season-Long Snap Issue
McLaughlin's Case of Bad Snaps
These are just a handful, there were many more. Seems like almost everyone was seeing this, not just Jalen Milroe supporters, so I don't see how it could be seen as such an overblown issue...
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Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:04 pm to PowHound
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Everyone just calling it like they see it.
So why is it anyone who "calls it how they see it" when it came to Golding, BOB and Rees got trashed over the years?
Oh and I get after years of failures people finallt got on the bandwagon with Golding and BOB. That took long enough.
I'm talking about the few who actually saw they were bad earlier on.. spoke on it yet they didn't get the benefit of the doubt that they were just "calling it how they saw it".
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You are not ahead of anyone here- nobody liked BoB.
This is what you guys do on here.
You have bad takes, attack those who don't agree then when it's revealed you were dead wrong you deny this ever occurred.
BOB was defended staunchly. In fact most of the reason why some don't care for me and a couple others is primarily because I beat drums against Golding and BOB before it became popular.
Rees was slightly better. A few of us said that and it wasn't accepted till he finally got demoted to bring a position coach.
I don't even care for your QB war or attack on Jalen. All I have said was the difference is now Jalen has no excuses because he actually has a competent offensive mind and not an idiot or a limited position coach calling him plays.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:10 pm to OldPete
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so I don't see how it could be seen as such an overblown issue...
For the reasons I said. It's something easy to point out. Snaps WERE an issue. But, they become a much bigger issue when they're added to lots of other issues. People acting like bad snaps were the major reason our QB was bad are either not very bright, or fooling themselves.
And, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the snaps weren't great in the A-day game. Nobody mentioned it much, because we aren't in the looking-for-excuses mode right now.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:31 pm to Teague
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People acting like bad snaps were the major reason our QB was bad are either not very bright, or fooling themselves.
where do you see anyone acting like that? This is a thread about things that can help Milroe succeed. One of the things that people listed is the center not making errant snaps.
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For the reasons I said. It's something easy to point out.
So its overblown because it was so obvious? Uh, ok.
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Nobody mentioned it much, because we aren't in the looking-for-excuses mode right now.
No one mentioned it much because it was spring practice. If it happens the first game of the season, you will see people talking about it.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:49 pm to Funky Tide 8
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where do you see anyone acting like that?
In the post I quoted. And in countless discussions about Milroe's issues, both here and everywhere else. It is 100% the most often cited reason for why A. We didn't win the NC. Or B. Milroe wasn't great.
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its overblown because it was so obvious? Uh, ok
Yes. It's talked about so much because it's something even stupid people could see. Again, see: scapegoat
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No one mentioned it much because it was spring practice.
bullshite. It wasn't talked about because it happened to all the QB's, but none of them dropped a snap, and they all played reasonably well. Plus, anyone trying to defend Milroe in that game could just point to the passes his WR's dropped.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:56 pm to Teague
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our QB was bad
This is my problem with this argument. I don't think it's that cut and dried. If Jalen was just a flat out bad QB there's no way we win the SEC last season, dethroning the defending back to back champs, and come within a play of winning the Natty (because let's be real if we beat Michigan we would have beaten Washington).
I think people on here are calling him bad because he's not an elite QB. And that's fine because he's not. Maybe DeBoer can get him there maybe not. But just because he's not elite doesn't make him bad. He played some really good football at times last year. He also made some really stupid mistakes. It's more nuanced than just saying he sucks and will never get better.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 4:00 pm to Teague
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In the post I quoted. And in countless discussions about Milroe's issues, both here and everywhere else. It is 100% the most often cited reason for why A. We didn't win the NC. Or B. Milroe wasn't great.
I mean, it could be argued that if we don't have bad snaps in the Rose Bowl, then we win. But I've never seen anyone on here state that Milroe's primary struggle last season was bad snaps.
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Yes. It's talked about so much because it's something even stupid people could see. Again, see: scapegoat
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Yes. It's talked about so much because it's something even stupid people could see. Again, see: scapegoat
Calling it a scapegoat implies that it wasn't real, valid, or significant. It was all of those things. It was something that is generally easily executed, yet it was a big struggle, and a real issue that affected games, whether you believe it or not. That is why people talk about it.
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bullshite. It wasn't talked about because it happened to all the QB's, but none of them dropped a snap, and they all played reasonably well. Plus, anyone trying to defend Milroe in that game could just point to the passes his WR's dropped.
Or because it was spring practice, and we silently hope that it won't be an issue yet again with a totally different center.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 4/19/24 at 4:01 pm to RollTide33
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This is my problem with this argument. I don't think it's that cut and dried. If Jalen was just a flat out bad QB there's no way we win the SEC last season, dethroning the defending back to back champs, and come within a play of winning the Natty (because let's be real if we beat Michigan we would have beaten Washington).
I think people on here are calling him bad because he's not an elite QB. And that's fine because he's not. Maybe DeBoer can get him there maybe not. But just because he's not elite doesn't make him bad. He played some really good football at times last year. He also made some really stupid mistakes. It's more nuanced than just saying he sucks and will never get better.
Spot on.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 4:03 pm to RollTide33
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If Jalen was just a flat out bad QB there's no way we win the SEC last season,
"Bad" might have been a bit strong, overall. He was bad at some aspects though.
However, wins are not a QB stat.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 4:05 pm to Teague
Also, I have to stop getting sucked into these arguments. They're not going anywhere.
I hope Milroe is better, or someone else wins the job. Carry on.
I hope Milroe is better, or someone else wins the job. Carry on.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:58 pm to Funky Tide 8
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If Jalen was just a flat out bad QB there's no way we win the SEC last season
We won the SEC a couple years ago with the worst OL possibly ever so why can't we win one with a subpar QB especially when Kirby went full tard, and had 2 spies instead of just blitzing JM which would have resulted in JM playing like he did in the Michigan game
Posted on 4/19/24 at 10:08 pm to YStar
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Rees was slightly better. A few of us said that and it wasn't accepted till he finally got demoted to bring a position coach.
Did you even watch the games? There were literally at least 100 plays with wide open receivers that Milroe couldn’t make the right read or throw to get them the ball. Snaps were also a major issue.
Rees wasn’t perfect, but he wasn’t the problem last year.
BoB was terrible, on the other hand. Lost count of how many times we had multiple receivers running to the same area under him.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 4/20/24 at 12:21 am to YStar
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Help is already there.
This time we actually got a good offensive coordinator.
Not some bum like BOB so many here was defending when he was running us into the ground or a position coach level guy masquerading as an OC like Rees
Exactly! They (Deboer and co.) just didn't have enough time to incorporate everything in spring ball.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:53 am to UsingUpAllTheLetters
Move him to rb.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 4:02 pm to UsingUpAllTheLetters
I think our WR development nose dived under Wiggins and the QB development suffered under O'Brien because he was just coattail riding Young back to the NFL.
Some of the snap issues are really QB issues. The QB and center seemed to struggle with identifying blitzes, so the sideline was doing it with signals most of the second half of the year. Due to sign stealing concerns, we ended up owning ourselves in the Rose Bowl. I believe Milroe has some indecisive vocal cues on when to snap...maybe losing the tempo on the cadence. That's why they went to clap signals but that was sketchy in hostile environments.
But in all fairness, Seth was a low snapper with Young but Young was a shorter target.
Some of the snap issues are really QB issues. The QB and center seemed to struggle with identifying blitzes, so the sideline was doing it with signals most of the second half of the year. Due to sign stealing concerns, we ended up owning ourselves in the Rose Bowl. I believe Milroe has some indecisive vocal cues on when to snap...maybe losing the tempo on the cadence. That's why they went to clap signals but that was sketchy in hostile environments.
But in all fairness, Seth was a low snapper with Young but Young was a shorter target.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 4:09 pm to crimsonuatide
Moving him to running back it just plain stupid. Why don't you tell him to
just leave? There is a lot of programs that would love to have him at QB. DeBoer has been able to develop QB's at every program he has been at.
Jalen was better at the end than he was at the start with a OC that was in over his head.
just leave? There is a lot of programs that would love to have him at QB. DeBoer has been able to develop QB's at every program he has been at.
Jalen was better at the end than he was at the start with a OC that was in over his head.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 6:41 pm to 2020Champs
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Jalen was better at the end than he was at the start
False. Last game of season the center was calling the protections, and JM was still being told who to throw the ball to.
He was still taking 20yd sacks. He still couldn't find a check down. He still could not throw over the middle. He was still holding the football the longest of any QB in the league.
He still looked like a giraffe on skates when running and juggling the football.
Man, if Bama doesn't complete that miracle throw to beat auburn, and Kirby doesnt lose his mind having 2 spies instead of blitzing JM this fanbase probably would sound a lot different
Posted on 4/30/24 at 7:01 pm to PowHound
Some concerns are valid but you think you know more than you do.
It's not the fan base you need to be concerned with it's the coaching staff. But because you would look like a fool being so adamantly opposed to them you direct your slights towards the fan base. But of course you know more than Saban and his staff and DeBoer and his staff: the greatest coach in history and arguably the best offensive mind in the game today. But let's go with SECRANT's Powhound, he knows best.
It's not the fan base you need to be concerned with it's the coaching staff. But because you would look like a fool being so adamantly opposed to them you direct your slights towards the fan base. But of course you know more than Saban and his staff and DeBoer and his staff: the greatest coach in history and arguably the best offensive mind in the game today. But let's go with SECRANT's Powhound, he knows best.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 7:37 pm to PowHound
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He was still taking 20yd sacks. He still couldn't find a check down. He still could not throw over the middle. He was still holding the football the longest of any QB in the league.
We've already broken this down several times. There was 1 sack where he potentially could've hit a crossing route in the middle, all of the other ones he had no time and no one open.
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Man, if Bama doesn't complete that miracle throw to beat auburn, and Kirby doesnt lose his mind having 2 spies instead of blitzing JM this fanbase probably would sound a lot different
"If two things that happened didn't happen, things would be different"
Brilliant.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 7:39 pm to UsingUpAllTheLetters
You can't assume that per se, but lets do it anyway 
Because of that we have to back up, and coach Deboer has to do this.
He has to tell Jalen, the NFL is going to bring all out defense on you like Auburn and Mich. did, if you want to just be a great college QB then you have already accomplished that, but if your goal is to be a top NFL draft pick, you have to improve according to x, y and z (get some scouts to grade him)
Then remind him of Jalen who lost his job even though he had hardly lost any games as a starter. He got better because he git benched, and he got even better at OU when he transferred by listening to Linken Riley and learning new things. I am going to be the coach who helps gets you to the next level, but you have to listen and improve. Both our goals is to win, and see you as a top 10 NFL pick. So, lets work together.
He HAS to be told he is not a good enough QB at reading defenses and that is why he takes so many sacks. That ability comes from studying film. Just ask Peyton Manning or any great QB.
Because of that we have to back up, and coach Deboer has to do this. He has to tell Jalen, the NFL is going to bring all out defense on you like Auburn and Mich. did, if you want to just be a great college QB then you have already accomplished that, but if your goal is to be a top NFL draft pick, you have to improve according to x, y and z (get some scouts to grade him)
Then remind him of Jalen who lost his job even though he had hardly lost any games as a starter. He got better because he git benched, and he got even better at OU when he transferred by listening to Linken Riley and learning new things. I am going to be the coach who helps gets you to the next level, but you have to listen and improve. Both our goals is to win, and see you as a top 10 NFL pick. So, lets work together.
He HAS to be told he is not a good enough QB at reading defenses and that is why he takes so many sacks. That ability comes from studying film. Just ask Peyton Manning or any great QB.
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