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Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:43 pm to PowHound
Well, to be fair, it's not JUST money ... the coaching transition is the catalyst. I think guys like Downs wouldn't be in the portal if Saban hadn't retired.
But once that catalyst has occurred, at that point it DOES become almost solely about the money, because these players (primarily starters) are being offered exponentially more money by other teams to transfer.
I'm a lifelong Alabama fan of 50+ years, and if I had the opportunity to play for the Tide AND get paid for it I'd be ecstatic. But if I'm making $100,000 in NIL money at Alabama, and Ohio State (for example) said they'd pay me $500,000 ... I'd have to think long and hard about that.
But once that catalyst has occurred, at that point it DOES become almost solely about the money, because these players (primarily starters) are being offered exponentially more money by other teams to transfer.
I'm a lifelong Alabama fan of 50+ years, and if I had the opportunity to play for the Tide AND get paid for it I'd be ecstatic. But if I'm making $100,000 in NIL money at Alabama, and Ohio State (for example) said they'd pay me $500,000 ... I'd have to think long and hard about that.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:43 pm to UASports23
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Let's say...
- DeBoer is a straight X&O guy and wins everywhere he has been.
- Kiffin has the name and excitement and has not won everywhere he has been and has been fired A LOT.
Why would we sale this program short and go for "excitement and fired a lot " over a "straight X&O coach who has won"
I still think a lot of folks are looking very short term and not at the potential we have long term.
Agreed. When all of the bullshite is settled, your going to want a coach that knows how to win and adapt. Saban adapted. But he's the GOAT.
What happens when Kirby and uga go into town in Sept and lose to BAMA? You think that's not going to send a message?
For the first time since Saban came to BAMA, BAMA will be the novelty. The pressure is going to be on every established coach who fields a team against BAMA to beat them. And nobody in the SEC has proven they can beat DeBoer yet. Until they do, the pressure is on them. That's relieving.
Now, if uga storms into BD and beats BAMA by 17+, or they lose to WKU, I may feel differently.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:43 pm to PowHound
More players would have stayed for Kiffin, yes. That doesn’t mean Kiffin would have been a better hire. I wanted Kiffin for the fun and what I think would have been a better for short term. But by no means do I 100% think he’d have been the best hire.
I think we’ll look back, after what we’ve observed, and realize losing your coach at a program like this really is a mini death penalty.
It’s sure as shite a dire enough situation that there should be a relentlessly hammered out plan for when the day comes.
How is there not a core group of players in the know about what’s coming? Sit them down, guage where they’re at, pay them to toe the line and be all around WAY more together than whatever the shite Alabama did.
You can’t have players in this age find out from random sources.
Alabama’s new coaching search was impressive as hell and it STILL felt like chaos, and it’s getting worse.
Players are paid. There isn’t a more important time to pay them then when you’re trying to slow the collapse of your entire roster.
I’m starting to think there will be an entire industry pop up around the exit planning of a coach and how to keep it from being cool for your whole roster to bounce.
I think we’ll look back, after what we’ve observed, and realize losing your coach at a program like this really is a mini death penalty.
It’s sure as shite a dire enough situation that there should be a relentlessly hammered out plan for when the day comes.
How is there not a core group of players in the know about what’s coming? Sit them down, guage where they’re at, pay them to toe the line and be all around WAY more together than whatever the shite Alabama did.
You can’t have players in this age find out from random sources.
Alabama’s new coaching search was impressive as hell and it STILL felt like chaos, and it’s getting worse.
Players are paid. There isn’t a more important time to pay them then when you’re trying to slow the collapse of your entire roster.
I’m starting to think there will be an entire industry pop up around the exit planning of a coach and how to keep it from being cool for your whole roster to bounce.
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:45 pm to PowHound
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In my opinion, if a player is told he can make $100,000 more by transferring, 99.9% of them aren't going to stay
If that's the case college ball is deader than dead.
Now you’re getting it.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:48 pm to PowHound
quote:What?
They are leaving because they've decided to (yes get paid more probably) but also because they do not want to play for Deboer or his staff.
They don’t know if they want to or not.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:48 pm to PowHound
Nothing is stopping you from becoming an Ole Miss fan. Your pouting wont change anything. Are you even a Bama alum?
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:50 pm to PowHound
quote:Uhhh, yeah dude.
If that's the case college ball is deader than dead.
Where have you been?
You can take an entire college team’s roster with Lamborghinis.
The sport as we know it IS dead.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:55 pm to PowHound
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The kids love Kiffins persona more than they love X's and O's
I was at UA for part of the time when Kiffin was the offensive coordinator and he was a joke on campus. No one liked his persona. Nothing makes kids feel more secondhand embarrassment than a middle-aged person always trying to act like a frat boy.
His recruiting classes also don't suggest that he has some tremendous appeal to young people. The only people I ever see saying Kiffin appeals are at an age where they aren't really in a position to say what kids like.
Besides, Kiffin just lost his best player to the portal.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:56 pm to PowHound
You’re naive as hell and blinded by Crimson if you think it isn’t the case.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 1:58 pm to PowHound
If Lane is as good of a recruiter as he is at pulling y'all into these conversations that he should be Bama's coach I'm thinking maybe we should have went with him . N'all I won't fall for it Lane,no matter how many threads you make, you are going to have to get out of Oxford some other way, it won't be through T-Town .
. N'all I won't fall for it Lane,no matter how many threads you make, you are going to have to get out of Oxford some other way, it won't be through T-Town . This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:04 pm to Kashmir
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How do you know this?
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What?
Because the portal has opened and closed countless times without a mass exodus. All these guys could have left at any time to try the free agent market, but nobody was looking to leave.
It's pretty clear some of them were not comfortable playing for someone they did not know, and decided to go play at places where they had been previously recruited and had relationships in place - and also more money clearly.
I simply think Bama + Kiffin would have caused a real wave of optimism among YOUNG DUMB KIDS.
Every adult in the room likes DeBear more; meanwhile most kids probably like Kiffin and TRob more.
Meanwhile DeBear is clearly the more polished, buttoned down, professional of the two, and he may very well be the long term answer that makes this process worth the upheaval.
Only time will tell, and like others have said "Pride" wasn't gonna let Lane come to TTown so it's really just conversation.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:06 pm to PowHound
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Kiffin would have caused a real wave of optimism among YOUNG DUMB KIDS.
Not just kids, but apparently grown arse adults as well.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:07 pm to Carlton
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If Lane is as good of a recruiter as he is at pulling y'all into these conversations that he should be Bama's coach I'm thinking maybe we should have went with him .
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:11 pm to PowHound
Posted on 1/17/24 at 2:12 pm to Yellerhammer5
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Not just kids, but apparently grown arse adults as well
The adults can certainly be happy that the kids are happy, eh ?
I think Caleb Downs is a future Heisman finalist on the defensive side of the ball in two years.
Guy is on a different level.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 4:49 pm to PowHound
No, you continue to try to criticize the hiring of DeBoer or DeBoer himself. But the reason players are leaving for more money is not because DeBoer is there but because Saban is not there. Also, some would have left even with Saban if the portal had been opened again during this time frame.
The bottom line is that your argument for hiring Kiffin does not hold water. He is 2-19 vs ranked teams, DeBoer is 12-2 at worse football schools than Kiffin has coached (UT, USC, OM vs Fresno and Wash).
The bottom line is that your argument for hiring Kiffin does not hold water. He is 2-19 vs ranked teams, DeBoer is 12-2 at worse football schools than Kiffin has coached (UT, USC, OM vs Fresno and Wash).
Posted on 1/17/24 at 4:57 pm to tattoo
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No, you continue to try to criticize the hiring of DeBoer or DeBoer himself
That is false. I told everyone Kiffin would be the safer hire, but DeBoer may very well be the better coach. I've said that 100 times now.
This fallout is exactly what I meant by that
Andrew Bone on an interview TODAY just said Downs would have likely stayed if TRob retained.
I have zero doubt Kiffin would have made that move.
I think DeBoer seems like a good coach, but just because he won big at Sioux falls and the PAC does not guarantee him success in the south. We have seen this proven repeatedly.
Kiffin however is a shark among sharks in the SEC.
It's a risk reward question. Nothing argumentative intended.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 4:59 pm to PowHound
Are we a national brand or a Southern brand?
Posted on 1/17/24 at 5:04 pm to PowHound
But you act like DeBoer didn’t try to retain TRob. Very clearly he made every attempt to keep him and there was some thought he would stay. You can’t manage the roster to just keep one player because you light lost another player. I get Downs is one of the best players on the team, but if it came down to keeping TRob or not, then it sounds like he was going to leave either way.
I thought you were going to go all in with DeBoer because that’s our coach, but you seem to bring up Kiffin on every topic.
I thought you were going to go all in with DeBoer because that’s our coach, but you seem to bring up Kiffin on every topic.
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